Quote from: dcpacemaker on January 19, 2008, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: afgeo4 on January 19, 2008, 07:31:23 AM
Sure they do... all paygrades are written in the same manner. E-1 through O-9
I'm sure the Joint Chiefs would disagree. :P
As has been probably been pointed out somewhere else, pay grade and rank aren't necessarily linked. You can be a Lt Col and have a pay grade of O-4, be an O-6 and have a rank of Brig Gen. O, W, and E grades have more to do with payroll than with who get saluted. These are exceptions when officers (and sometimes NCOs) are frocked, but it's important for an understanding of the system.
BTW, the current pay system goes up to O-10 with special pays for service chiefs.
^ I think mass-"Frocking" went out after WWII. Sure you can "pin early", and wait for the pay system to catch up, but I think that is few and far between. Most just wait for the promotion ceremony.
Quote from: mikeylikey on January 19, 2008, 03:45:10 PM
^ I think mass-"Frocking" went out after WWII. Sure you can "pin early", and wait for the pay system to catch up, but I think that is few and far between. Most just wait for the promotion ceremony.
Most frockings are tied to taking command. YMMV. It still happens and the authority is written into the law.
^ Just for reference!
Army Frocking Policy.
1. Purpose: To provide information concerning the U.S. Army's Officer frocking policy.
2. Facts:
a. Frocking guidance is found in Title 10, United States Code; DoD directive number 1334.2, dated 13 March 1987; AR 600-8-29, Officer Promotions, Chapter 6; Army worldwide message, date time group 291700Z Feb 96, Subject: Change to AR 600-8-29 (Withdrawal of Frocking Authority); and Army worldwide message, date time group 291950Z Feb 96, Subject: Officer Frocking Program Change.
b. General Officer frocking requests are forwarded to:
General Officer Management Office
OSCA, DACS-GOM
Washington, DC 20310-0300
c. All other requests for frocking will be forwarded through the requesting chain of command to: Commander, PERSCOM, ATTN: TAPC-MSP-S, 200 Stovall Street, Alexandria, VA 22332-0443. The Promotions Branch FAX number is DSN: 221-0742 or COML: (703) 325-0742.
d. The 1998 Defense Authorization Act restricts to 63 (2 percent of the total grade for Colonel) the number of Lieutenant Colonel (promotables) who can be frocked to Colonel.
e. Criteria for individual frocking:
(1) Frocking usually applies to officers in foreign areas whose routine duties required frequent contact with high level military or civilian foreign officials.
(2) Frocking is authorized only when the interest of the U.S. and the image of the U. S. Army would otherwise be severely jeopardized (e.g., officers in Joint positions).
(3) The test is whether the wear of the officer's current rank would severely restrict the officer from performing his/her duties.
(4) Generally, commanders, product/project managers and PMS/CGSC instructors will not be frocked because requests exceed allocation, particularly at the Colonel level.
f. The following conditions pertain to frocking:
(1) Officer must be on a Senate approved promotion list. This does not apply to frocking First Lieutenants to Captain.
(2) The officer must be serving in, or has received order to serve in, a position for which that grade is authorized
(3) Officer must not be under a suspension of favorable personnel actions (AR 600-8-2).
(4) Requests must either originate with or have the concurrence of the gaining organization.
(5) Generally, the officer will not be frocked earlier than two days prior to assuming higher grade duties, or two days prior to leaving the losing command, if a change in duty station is required.
(6) Authority to wear the grade of rank to which frocked will not be recorded in official orders (see AR 600-8-29, Chapter 6 for sample narrative format for frocking ceremonies). The officer is not entitled to the pay and allowances commensurate with the grade of rank to which frocked.
(7) A frocked officer does not accrue seniority for future promotion consideration, nor does time frocked count as time-in-grade in the grade of rank to which frocked, for retirement purposes.
(8) If an officer dies or is injured while in a frocked status, compensation will be based upon the officer's actual grade, without regard to the grade of rank to which the officer was frocked.
(9) The officer's ID card and official DA photo will not reflect the grade of rank to which frocked.
(10) Functions which by law or DoD Directive must be performed by an officer who actually holds a particular grade of rank, may not be performed by an officer frocked to that grade of rank. However, functions which by regulations require performance by an officer of a particular grade of rank may be performed by an officer frocked to that grade of rank, if specifically permitted by the regulation concerned.
(11) Officers may continue to wear the grade of rank to which frocked upon a change of duty or PCS unless removed from the promotion list.
Disabled smileys - MIKE
Topic split from the abbreviations thread.
Personal Note: I know I'm not the funniest person around, but some people around these parts need to stop taking everything so seriously. I make one small crack, and the whole topic gets derailed. ::)
I stand corrected, of course, the current system goes up to O-10 (the previous was a typo)
There is also the Navy tradition of frocking its enlisted ranks when they are notified of a promotion.
Normally (such as in the USAF) you get notified and then you have to wait for your line number to come up before you sew on your new stripe.
The Navy gives them the stripe righ away (or after a suitable hazing period as for CPOs ;D) and then changes their pay grades when their line numbers are called.
Well it all sounds like a frocking mess to me. The Army frocked my kid when they made him first sergeant of the 506th. Then when they got him to Iraq they took his diamond away and put him in an Ops Sergeant Major spot.
The good news is he's in school now and will pick up Sergeant Major the 1st of Feb.
Quote from: Grumpy on January 20, 2008, 12:02:23 AM
Well it all sounds like a frocking mess to me. The Army frocked my kid when they made him first sergeant of the 506th. Then when they got him to Iraq they took his diamond away and put him in an Ops Sergeant Major spot.
The good news is he's in school now and will pick up Sergeant Major the 1st of Feb.
Good for him! It'll be a rest after being in the box.