Can the Unit Citation Award be awarded to units other than squadrons or flights? Can it be awarded to Groups?
I seem to remember past comments on CAPtalk about individuals having multiple Unit Citation awards (was that on the "Show Us Your Rack" thread?), with the explaination that they received them while members of a Group (or Wing??) which received the award "en masse", so to speak.
Any supporting evidence, specific examples, would be greatly appreciated and very helpful.
Thanks,
Dr. Dave
The Unit Citation can be awarded to any CAP unit. This includes groups.
Just after 9/11 the entire NER recieved a UC.
So, if your group does something spectacular, they could get one.
Just don't confuse unit citations given to say "Group Headquarters" with a UC awarded to the entire group.
Eclipse is part of a group that received on a couple years ago.
So it does happen
Quote from: jimmydeanno on January 01, 2008, 12:56:44 AM
The Unit Citation can be awarded to any CAP unit. This includes groups.
Just after 9/11 the entire NER received a UC.
So, if your group does something spectacular, they could get one.
Just don't confuse unit citations given to say "Group Headquarters" with a UC awarded to the entire group.
Was that just NER Headquarters, or all of NER to include everyone in NER? If so, got to fix my paperwork then.
Everyone in NER.
Everyone assigned to NER... All subordinate units (During the cited dates mind you ;) ).. If an award is for just the HQ, it usually states it as such. I have a copy of the paperwork in my file. (Which I really need to see about getting backed up somehow.)
^ Wow......learned something new this evening. Possibly the last new thing I will ever learn in 2007! :D
Now to break out my ribbons.
The only Unit Citation I have is one that was awarded to the entire California wing after the '94 quake. Actually did a lot of that quake relief, too.
Quote from: IceNine on January 01, 2008, 01:23:11 AM
Eclipse is part of a group that received on a couple years ago.
So it does happen
Jut for clarity, ours was awarded to Group HQ, not the subordinate units or members.
Is there an official source one can go to to see UC's awarded to a certain wing (and subordinate units within said wing)? Specifically speaking of CA Wing, if it helps. A few of the senior Cadets in my squadron wear a UC ribbon, and being that I won't see them for a while, I'm curious to see if I can find the reason why they've got it. (I know it's legit, FYI - I just don't know the actual thing that our wing/group participated in for them to get it.)
this could also have been awarded to the squadron. And if so there should be a copy of the award script on file at the unit level. Otherwise you will have to go up the chain because as far as I am aware there is no documentation site for this award
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on January 02, 2008, 12:17:38 AM
Is there an official source one can go to to see UC's awarded to a certain wing (and subordinate units within said wing)? Specifically speaking of CA Wing, if it helps. A few of the senior Cadets in my squadron wear a UC ribbon, and being that I won't see them for a while, I'm curious to see if I can find the reason why they've got it. (I know it's legit, FYI - I just don't know the actual thing that our wing/group participated in for them to get it.)
The entire wing was awarded a Unit Citation for the Space Shuttle Columbia recovery mission.
Quote from: PHall on January 02, 2008, 01:17:55 AM
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on January 02, 2008, 12:17:38 AM
Is there an official source one can go to to see UC's awarded to a certain wing (and subordinate units within said wing)? Specifically speaking of CA Wing, if it helps. A few of the senior Cadets in my squadron wear a UC ribbon, and being that I won't see them for a while, I'm curious to see if I can find the reason why they've got it. (I know it's legit, FYI - I just don't know the actual thing that our wing/group participated in for them to get it.)
The entire wing was awarded a Unit Citation for the Space Shuttle Columbia recovery mission.
Given the time of service these Cadets have - that would make a lot of sense. Thanks!
Quote from: PHall on January 02, 2008, 01:17:55 AM
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on January 02, 2008, 12:17:38 AM
Is there an official source one can go to to see UC's awarded to a certain wing (and subordinate units within said wing)? Specifically speaking of CA Wing, if it helps. A few of the senior Cadets in my squadron wear a UC ribbon, and being that I won't see them for a while, I'm curious to see if I can find the reason why they've got it. (I know it's legit, FYI - I just don't know the actual thing that our wing/group participated in for them to get it.)
The entire wing was awarded a Unit Citation for the Space Shuttle Columbia recovery mission.
The dates on that are: 1 Feb 03 through 4 Mar 03. Award effective 27 Aug 03.
Not sure about other wings, but FL posts theirs here:
http://flwg.us/html/citation.html
Quote from: SarDragon on January 02, 2008, 07:30:14 AM
Quote from: PHall on January 02, 2008, 01:17:55 AM
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on January 02, 2008, 12:17:38 AM
Is there an official source one can go to to see UC's awarded to a certain wing (and subordinate units within said wing)? Specifically speaking of CA Wing, if it helps. A few of the senior Cadets in my squadron wear a UC ribbon, and being that I won't see them for a while, I'm curious to see if I can find the reason why they've got it. (I know it's legit, FYI - I just don't know the actual thing that our wing/group participated in for them to get it.)
The entire wing was awarded a Unit Citation for the Space Shuttle Columbia recovery mission.
The dates on that are: 1 Feb 03 through 4 Mar 03. Award effective 27 Aug 03.
That seems like an awfully long inclusion period. Didn't recovery ops on the ground only last for 1 month? If so, how can it be a year long inclusion period. Members joined and recieved it that had no participation in said activity.
Ummm.... 1 Feb to 4 Mar is about 31 days.... ???
Quote from: 1st Lt M. Sherrod on January 03, 2008, 01:34:09 AM
Ummm.... 1 Feb to 4 Mar is about 31 days.... ???
Wow......I don't know what happened right now. Sorry. I just proved to everyone I am a total idiot! Next time I will read the post twice, and wow.............. :-[ :-[ :-[
Quote from: mikeylikey on January 03, 2008, 01:38:41 AM
Quote from: 1st Lt M. Sherrod on January 03, 2008, 01:34:09 AM
Ummm.... 1 Feb to 4 Mar is about 31 days.... ???
Wow......I don't know what happened right now. Sorry. I just proved to everyone I am a total idiot! Next time I will read the post twice, and wow.............. :-[ :-[ :-[
Dont feel bad, I also totally saw it as being Feb to Aug.
After reading this it brings up a good question.
How many unit citations does NY wing and Northeast Region have earn for all units in those respected areas since fall 2000?
Also where can I find the answer I'm looking for?
^ New York Wing HQ, and NER HQ. Perhaps NHQ will have answerers to both questions.
Quote from: ThorntonOL on June 13, 2008, 07:06:04 PM
After reading this it brings up a good question.
How many unit citations does NY wing and Northeast Region have earn for all units in those respected areas since fall 2000?
Also where can I find the answer I'm looking for?
All of NER got one in 2001 for the 9/11 response. Not aware of any others, but that doesn't mean they haven't happened. Without a central database and without paperwork being forwarded to the units when these things happen, it's next to impossible for a member to track how many clasps they should have. I just wear the ribbon without devices, since I know of at least one I've been included under.
I think NHQ has tracked this stuff pretty good for a while as it isn't unusual to see notations when the award is given for it being the 3rd award or whatever.
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on June 13, 2008, 10:06:48 PM
Does NHQ have some sort of database that one could use to see what units got unit citations, as well as when and what they were awarded for?
Sort of. I think they are in a database from about 2000 onward, but everything prior to that is still only on paper. I called NHQ some time ago looking for info, and they weren't very forthcoming for that reason.
I have some CAWG info available from the PA I got in 2003 for the Columbia effort. CA 001 (the entire wing) got its 3rd (IIRC) award then; 2nd was Northridge; don't recall the 1st. CA 001 (Wing HQ) also got one that year, and believe that was a 1st award. I don't have my copy available right now.
For NER, there is some info on the NER site. That's how I verified my 1st award from back in the 60s. I had heard from various unoficial sources that all of NER had been awarded a UCA back then, but was never able to verify it until I saw the NER site.
The above answers regarding units are correct. Flights, Squadron, Groups, Wings and Regions have all received the Unit Citation. Unchartered organizations have also received Unit Citations. The 1980, 1982, 1984 , and 1985 Bronx Group Drill Teams (NY Wing) received the Unit Citation. The members of those teams were from various squadrons and groups and in 1985 even wings (NY & NJ). The accompanying award citation contained the names of the members entitled to the award.
CAP needs to come up with a central record of these types of awards. The DOD has a listing of awards for units that has dates and included units.
V/R
LT J.
Have a clarification question, I've been a member since AUG 2000 and since then NYWing ang the NER both have recieved a unit citation. Now because I was a member in NY during the time they were awarded, I can still wear both unit citations (ribbon and clasp) even if I move theoretically to TN or AZ?
Correct.
Just make sure you have a copy of the order awarding the unit citation in your personnel records.