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Operations => Emergency Services & Operations => Topic started by: fyrfitrmedic on October 12, 2007, 11:46:46 PM

Title: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: fyrfitrmedic on October 12, 2007, 11:46:46 PM
NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS -- A Civil Air Patrol search and rescue team will compete in the SARSCENE Games, the world's only official International Search and Rescue Competition, on Oct. 17 in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. 

http://www.cap.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&nodeID=6192&newsID=3610

I'm kinda surprised that something like this wasn't done ages ago.
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: RiverAux on October 12, 2007, 11:50:07 PM
The Canadian Coast Guard Auxiliary and the US Coast Guard Auxiliary have had an international SAR competition for many years.  This was the last year (US won!) for it due to the high costs.  Now the US CG Aux will just have a national SAR comp. 
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: fyrfitrmedic on October 13, 2007, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: RiverAux on October 12, 2007, 11:50:07 PM
The Canadian Coast Guard Auxiliary and the US Coast Guard Auxiliary have had an international SAR competition for many years.  This was the last year (US won!) for it due to the high costs.  Now the US CG Aux will just have a national SAR comp. 

The loss of the international aspect is a shame IMHO.
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: JC004 on October 13, 2007, 01:17:14 AM
Quote from: fyrfitrmedic on October 13, 2007, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: RiverAux on October 12, 2007, 11:50:07 PM
The Canadian Coast Guard Auxiliary and the US Coast Guard Auxiliary have had an international SAR competition for many years.  This was the last year (US won!) for it due to the high costs.  Now the US CG Aux will just have a national SAR comp. 

The loss of the international aspect is a shame IMHO.

We should take every opportunity to remind those Canadians that we are cooler.  Instead of sending us thank-you cards for inventing things like their precious "Kraft dinner," they just steal it.  It's "Macaroni and Cheese," [darn]it!   >:D
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: ♠SARKID♠ on October 13, 2007, 04:27:47 AM
Quote from: fyrfitrmedic on October 12, 2007, 11:46:46 PM
NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS -- A Civil Air Patrol search and rescue team will compete in the SARSCENE Games, the world's only official International Search and Rescue Competition, on Oct. 17 in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. 

http://www.cap.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&nodeID=6192&newsID=3610

I'm kinda surprised that something like this wasn't done ages ago.

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o I WANNA GO !!!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

THAT'S SO AWESOME!!!!
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: Matt on October 14, 2007, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on October 13, 2007, 04:27:47 AM
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o I WANNA GO !!!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

THAT'S SO AWESOME!!!!

Remember to get your squadron commander's approval... :D
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: Stonewall on October 14, 2007, 07:40:05 PM
Glad someone is getting to do it.  Back in '99 I was shot down when I put together "Rescue Challenge", a CAP SAR Competition.
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: fyrfitrmedic on October 15, 2007, 12:12:14 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 14, 2007, 07:40:05 PM
Glad someone is getting to do it.  Back in '99 I was shot down when I put together "Rescue Challenge", a CAP SAR Competition.

I vaguely remember hearing a rumor about something like that in the works in '98 or '99...
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: ♠SARKID♠ on October 15, 2007, 12:42:07 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 14, 2007, 07:40:05 PM
Glad someone is getting to do it.  Back in '99 I was shot down when I put together "Rescue Challenge", a CAP SAR Competition.

Why'd it get shot down?
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: Stonewall on October 15, 2007, 01:21:06 AM
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on October 15, 2007, 12:42:07 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 14, 2007, 07:40:05 PM
Glad someone is getting to do it.  Back in '99 I was shot down when I put together "Rescue Challenge", a CAP SAR Competition.

Why'd it get shot down?

Two non-ground team folks with a lot of rank and in charge of ES for the wing didn't care for me and thought it proved zero worth in the realm of ES.  I later busted both of them in a conspiracy to get one of their sons "advanced promotion" through the Mitchell.
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: ♠SARKID♠ on October 15, 2007, 01:26:34 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 15, 2007, 01:21:06 AM
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on October 15, 2007, 12:42:07 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 14, 2007, 07:40:05 PM
Glad someone is getting to do it.  Back in '99 I was shot down when I put together "Rescue Challenge", a CAP SAR Competition.

Why'd it get shot down?

Two non-ground team folks with a lot of rank and in charge of ES for the wing didn't care for me and thought it proved zero worth in the realm of ES.  I later busted both of them in a conspiracy to get one of their sons "advanced promotion" through the Mitchell.

Good job, we dont need $%^& like that in CAP
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: BillB on October 15, 2007, 02:17:41 AM
Waiting for CAPHistorian to jump in here because I think that there was a National SAR Competition umpteen years ago.
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: fyrfitrmedic on October 15, 2007, 02:28:12 AM
Quote from: BillB on October 15, 2007, 02:17:41 AM
Waiting for CAPHistorian to jump in here because I think that there was a National SAR Competition umpteen years ago.

I'm not a historian but I do remember CAP's national SAR competitions being held at Kirtland AFB back in the day.
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: sardak on October 15, 2007, 02:57:36 AM
A few National SARCOMPs in the 80's were held at Whiteman AFB in Missouri.

The SARSCENE Games are part of SARSCENE, the Canadian National SAR Secretariat's (NSS) annual SAR conference.  The conference is open to anyone, and any group can enter a team into the Games.  The team doesn't need any official sponsor - four people who want to compete can call themselves a team and enter.

Mike
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: sarmed1 on October 15, 2007, 01:38:48 PM
The theroy (pipe dream) is to have CAP again start a National GSAR competition, with the winning team representing CAP at the SARSCENE.

we'll se how it goes, I'll let you know

mk
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: isuhawkeye on October 16, 2007, 03:09:47 AM
I think the key here is external involvement. 

Its all well and good to have our own competition, but it is an entirely different thing to participate in external competitions. 
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: ♠SARKID♠ on October 31, 2007, 10:07:06 PM
SARSCENE (http://www.cap.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&nodeID=6192&newsID=3668&year=2007&month=10)

Results(?) of CAP's participation in the competition.  Doesn't say where we placed, just that we scored highly.

One thing though:  Those vests are DARN reflective in that picture!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: Trouble on November 01, 2007, 06:18:09 AM
Heres the link to SARSCENE: The magazine
http://www.nss.gc.ca/site/ss/magazine/index_e.asp

Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: floridacyclist on November 02, 2007, 08:21:23 PM
That's cool...I see they use ICS too. Nice to know that we can even use it for international coordination should the need arise.
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: Larry Mangum on November 02, 2007, 09:07:21 PM
The ideal was brought up to bring back the national sar comp, but national wanted to fund it by paying for ti out of the money the wings receive for SAR training. I don't know about your wing, but it is hard enough to get funding for all of the ops training we need as it is, without reducing our funds for a competion.
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: sarmed1 on November 02, 2007, 09:25:46 PM
There is one small difference with thier ICS model, (that I know of) Finance/Admin function is under Logistics, not its own section.

Out of 10 teams they only announced the top 3, we wernt 1, 2, or 3 they went to the Canadian Parks Dept, some Police Dept from Quebec and the Irish Coast Guard, all pro/paid departments, they said they would send the results and placements out after the conference, so we'll wait and see.

Overall there were 6 stations
Search Management-This was a missing person search planning, they gave us a scenario and a list of assets, maps and subject info and we had to plan the initial and future operations periods of the search.

Clue identification-visial search for misc clues, I didnt like this one, it wasnt scenario based, just walk thru the section of park and identify items that were clues, the part that sucked was there were many items there that they didnt place out (those didnt count as objects found)

Survival Skills- 3 stations for the team start a fire an boil a pot of water, build an air to ground signal and set up a shelter with a parachute

Navigation-Follow 5 headings and distance 2 seperate courses.  We kind of got boned on this one the headings they gave us were strictly grid headings, we were expected to ask if they were magnetic or grid, apparently they (the canadians) only work in grid and you convert on your own, were we usually deal in magnetic if given a course to follow.

Scene Management-Given a scenario (plane crash in our case) arrive on scene and perform all actions as you would on an actual crash.  Ours was overdue A/C unable to pin point via ELT, we had 3 victims 1 in the A/C 1 on the ground next to and a 3rd (deceased) to be found on a quick search around the crash site, secure, shut off the beacon treat the patients and coordiante for extraction by CF SAR. (we kicked butt on this one suprisingly)

SAR skills- 3 Team events written test (ok they did round robin verbal), knots, tied behind your back,  and throw water rescue heaving line and hit in or close to a target

mk
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: O-Rex on November 02, 2007, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on October 31, 2007, 10:07:06 PM
SARSCENE (http://www.cap.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&nodeID=6192&newsID=3668&year=2007&month=10)

Results(?) of CAP's participation in the competition.  Doesn't say where we placed, just that we scored highly.

One thing though:  Those vests are DARN reflective in that picture!  8) 8) 8)

I REALLY hope that the individual in the zoom-bag and LEATHER JACKET is a CAPRAP or CAP-USAF type........
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: sarmed1 on November 02, 2007, 11:00:54 PM
actually its a crappy picture...its a gray pants/polo shirt  combo with the black aviator corportate type jacket..... but after looking at it it does look like he is wearing the bag.

mk
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: O-Rex on November 03, 2007, 02:33:47 AM
Quote from: sarmed1 on November 02, 2007, 11:00:54 PM
actually its a crappy picture...its a gray pants/polo shirt  combo with the black aviator corportate type jacket..... but after looking at it it does look like he is wearing the bag.

mk

Wow: had me fooled. 
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: Chirpoff on January 19, 2013, 03:16:35 AM
When was the last CAP National SAR Competition? Was there one in 1988, or did it stop at 1986?
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: JeffDG on January 19, 2013, 04:36:14 AM
Hey, anybody goes, I have a list of things I need smuggled brought back with ya:


A more complete list will be pending...
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: SJFedor on January 19, 2013, 04:53:38 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on January 19, 2013, 04:36:14 AM
Hey, anybody goes, I have a list of things I need smuggled brought back with ya:


  • Tim Horton's Coffee...lots...closest one for me is 4 1/2 hours away in Kentucky
  • Coffee Crisp chocolate bars...again...lots!  Might have a few others too


A more complete list will be pending...

This thread is 5+ years old...
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: JeffDG on January 19, 2013, 05:24:11 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on January 19, 2013, 04:53:38 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on January 19, 2013, 04:36:14 AM
Hey, anybody goes, I have a list of things I need smuggled brought back with ya:


  • Tim Horton's Coffee...lots...closest one for me is 4 1/2 hours away in Kentucky
  • Coffee Crisp chocolate bars...again...lots!  Might have a few others too


A more complete list will be pending...

This thread is 5+ years old...
hmmm...that's about how long since I moved...
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: Flying Pig on January 19, 2013, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: fyrfitrmedic on October 15, 2007, 12:12:14 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on October 14, 2007, 07:40:05 PM
Glad someone is getting to do it.  Back in '99 I was shot down when I put together "Rescue Challenge", a CAP SAR Competition.

I vaguely remember hearing a rumor about something like that in the works in '98 or '99...

Yeah, it was in the "Hysterical History" section >:D
Title: Re: CAP enters a team in SARSCENE competition
Post by: ol'fido on January 19, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: Chirpoff on January 19, 2013, 03:16:35 AM
When was the last CAP National SAR Competition? Was there one in 1988, or did it stop at 1986?
I was on the ILWG Ground Team at GLR SARCOMP in '85, '86, '87, and '88. The ILWG won the '88 competition(GT got 3rd) and represented GLR at the Nationals at Whiteman AFB. The last one I know of was in 1990.