I am a SMWOG and I have seen other SMWOG wearing the grey epaulet loops that are blank as well as SMWOG not wearing any epaulet loops. I looked through CAPM 39-1 and am even more confused.
Do SMWOG wear blank grey epaulet loops or do they not wear them at all? If they do wear them where can I find them?
Vanguard doesn't seem to have them on their site, if they do, that site is such a cluster that it is nearly impossible to find them.
They were for SM NCOs, not SMs without grade.
Thanks for the quick response, I was just confused because our Region PAO wears them and she is a SMWOG.
I have no clue how someone that has no CAP experience becomes the Region PAO. Must be one of those CAP political decisions.
I'm not sure how a region HQ allows one of their staffers (even a SMWOG) to wear the uniform improperly. Especially someone who's supposed to represent us to the public. That's very, VERY dissapointing and you should correct her when/if you have the chance to.
The proper wear is no epaulets. Blank epaulets are for NCOs.
In the past Region PAOs were non-entities since Wing and even squadron PAOs are authorized to deal with NHQ PA directly. However, there is more and more of a move to make Regions "operational" units directing multi-Wing missions and a non-CAP experienced PAO in the Region slot could be a bad thing.
Apparently the experience of being a free lance reporter was enough.
Naaahhhh. This is the dumb question.....SMWOG?
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on May 29, 2007, 02:45:26 AM
Naaahhhh. This is the dumb question.....SMWOG?
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Quote from: mikeylikey on May 29, 2007, 02:47:10 AM
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on May 29, 2007, 02:45:26 AM
Naaahhhh. This is the dumb question.....SMWOG?
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Quote from: edmo1 on May 29, 2007, 02:30:46 AM
I am a SMWOG and I have seen other SMWOG wearing the grey epaulet loops that are blank as well as SMWOG not wearing any epaulet loops. I looked through CAPM 39-1 and am even more confused.
Do SMWOG wear blank grey epaulet loops or do they not wear them at all? If they do wear them where can I find them?
Vanguard doesn't seem to have them on their site, if they do, that site is such a cluster that it is nearly impossible to find them.
Welcome to CAP (or perhaps just welcome to senior membership). As was mentioned above, CAPM 39-1 prescribes CAP cutouts on the collar (metal on Blues, sewn-on blue embroidered ones for BDUs) for SMWOG.
Unfortunately, our uniform manual is very often obtuse or confusing on issues. One day (we hope) it will be much more clear. :P
That's what I had thought. I was a cadet back in '97 and went inactive for a number of years. I thought it would be fun to get back into it now that I am an adult and may have something more to offer to a program that I loved as a kid.
I was told that I was wrong at an SLS. Turns out that I was being corrected by someone that was in the wrong themselves.
Quote from: RiverAux on May 29, 2007, 02:38:08 AM
there is more and more of a move to make Regions "operational" units directing multi-Wing missions and a non-CAP experienced PAO in the Region slot could be a bad thing.
Oh God, tell me that's not so. Currently the best thing about a Region command is they don't do anything operationally and pretty much keep out of things, thereby not screwing anything up too much.
Your problem is that someone set a bad example for you, but this board is helpful. Use it lots.
I want to know how anyone without even Lvl One and 2nd Lt. bars can even be considered, much less approved for a position such as PAO - Especially a REGION PAO !
Oh the politics of CAP. Maybe SWR was just really desperate for someone.
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on May 29, 2007, 04:21:19 AM
I want to know how anyone without even Lvl One and 2nd Lt. bars can even be considered, much less approved for a position such as PAO - Especially a REGION PAO !
And how did you determine that the SMWOG had not completed Level I?
Quote from: SarDragon on May 29, 2007, 05:53:20 AM
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on May 29, 2007, 04:21:19 AM
I want to know how anyone without even Lvl One and 2nd Lt. bars can even be considered, much less approved for a position such as PAO - Especially a REGION PAO !
And how did you determine that the SMWOG had not completed Level I?
Becuase one attains 2nd Lt upon completion of Level One?
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on May 30, 2007, 09:58:40 AM
[Becuase one attains 2nd Lt upon completion of Level One?
Actually, one is
eligible for 2nd Lt upon completion of Level I. It's not automatic, as I recall.
Jack
Quote from: ColonelJack on May 30, 2007, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on May 30, 2007, 09:58:40 AM
[Becuase one attains 2nd Lt upon completion of Level One?
Actually, one is eligible for 2nd Lt upon completion of Level I. It's not automatic, as I recall.
Jack
There is also the issue of the six month "time-in-grade" requirement for second lieutenant. One is eligible after completing six months TIG as a SMWOG (or as a CAP NCO) and completing Level I.
Most new senior members (*officers) in my group complete Level I within a few weeks of joining. Then they wait for five and a half months before becoming eligible for second lieutenant.
Quote from: RiverAux on May 29, 2007, 02:38:08 AM
In the past Region PAOs were non-entities since Wing and even squadron PAOs are authorized to deal with NHQ PA directly. However, there is more and more of a move to make Regions "operational" units directing multi-Wing missions and a non-CAP experienced PAO in the Region slot could be a bad thing.
Please provide your definition of "non-entities"