I have been reading up on CAPM 39-1. It indicates that the BDUs are a USAF uniform. It states that all USAF clothing must have the USAF certification label. The Vanguard BDU has no DOD or USAF certification label. So are the VG BDUs a military uniform?
Yes they are ok
I don't think there would be any new sets of BDUs inspected by the USAF since they don't use that uniform anymore...
Quote from: almostspaatz on December 08, 2015, 03:07:08 AM
I don't think there would be any new sets of BDUs inspected by the USAF since they don't use that uniform anymore...
Correct, the bdu's VG sells are from Propper, which is a gov't supplier, and they are made to gov't spec, but none of the branches currently use them, so they are no longer inspected. If you order a set elsewhere, unless they are surplus they won't be inspected either, but they are correct.
The Army (25th ID) is using BDUs again. There are a few FMS customers as well.
http://archive.armytimes.com/article/20140505/NEWS/305050061/Soldiers-earn-tab-wear-BDUs-tough-new-jungle-course (http://archive.armytimes.com/article/20140505/NEWS/305050061/Soldiers-earn-tab-wear-BDUs-tough-new-jungle-course)
http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry/magazine/issues/2014/Jan-Mar/Eifler.html (http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry/magazine/issues/2014/Jan-Mar/Eifler.html)
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Really interesting....
on another note:
"It managed to get about 17,000 sets of BDUs; each soldier going through the JOTC is issued two sets. So far, 3,500 sets have been issued"
^they must not be ordering from vanguard....they'd still be waiting >:D
Quote from: almostspaatz on December 09, 2015, 03:56:44 AM
Really interesting....
on another note:
"It managed to get about 17,000 sets of BDUs; each soldier going through the JOTC is issued two sets. So far, 3,500 sets have been issued"
^they must not be ordering from vanguard....they'd still be waiting >:D
Really? Because I get my orders in under a week, which is...eight times faster than the Hock ever was.
They have gotten better...but my first BDU pants (a few years back) took 2 months...
Quote from: almostspaatz on December 10, 2015, 06:34:37 PM
They have gotten better...but my first BDU pants (a few years back) took 2 months...
Did you inquire why?
I've made about a dozen orders from Vanguard since CAP Mart shut down, and all have been filled within two weeks or less, except one item - a black leather jacket in giganto size. It took three weeks.
Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on December 08, 2015, 04:28:29 AM
Quote from: almostspaatz on December 08, 2015, 03:07:08 AM
I don't think there would be any new sets of BDUs inspected by the USAF since they don't use that uniform anymore...
Correct, the bdu's VG sells are from Propper, which is a gov't supplier, and they are made to gov't spec, but none of the branches currently use them, so they are no longer inspected. If you order a set elsewhere, unless they are surplus they won't be inspected either, but they are correct.
Its not from Propper. The current bdus are VANGUARD branded. Yes, they made them.
I doubt that Vanguard makes their own. They buy them from a manufacturer, with a Vanguard brand label in them.
Quote from: Full time cadet on December 11, 2015, 05:37:21 AM
Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on December 08, 2015, 04:28:29 AM
Quote from: almostspaatz on December 08, 2015, 03:07:08 AM
I don't think there would be any new sets of BDUs inspected by the USAF since they don't use that uniform anymore...
Correct, the bdu's VG sells are from Propper, which is a gov't supplier, and they are made to gov't spec, but none of the branches currently use them, so they are no longer inspected. If you order a set elsewhere, unless they are surplus they won't be inspected either, but they are correct.
Its not from Propper. The current bdus are VANGUARD branded. Yes, they made them.
Interesting, last set of BBDU's I got from them (maybe 3 months ago) were Propper branded. How are the quality, I'm sure they have Rothco make them and slap a Vanguard label on them.
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on December 10, 2015, 10:16:40 PM
Quote from: almostspaatz on December 10, 2015, 06:34:37 PM
They have gotten better...but my first BDU pants (a few years back) took 2 months...
Did you inquire why?
Yes I called and they said the manufacturer (Propper) was on back order. My recent purchases (pretty much everything since that) has been punctual.
From a regulatory/compliance auditor standpoint, if they are required to have a marking indicative of certification/inspection to standards, then not having that mark would put them out of compliance.
That being said, does this really make it a big deal for our purposes? We're not going to be issuing findings to Vanguard.
Woodland BDU's are still in limited use by Army, Navy, and Marines.