I don't want to wear my CIB or anything. Actually I'm wondering if a Senior Member can wear a national defense ribbon or GWOT ribbon on the AF style or BDUs. Just wondered. If any army veterans know... My cousin is graduating from HS he is ROTC. He wants me to wear a uniform. The BDU was phased out the year I enlisted. Can I wear a BDU with the same awards and rank as when I separated from AD? I really don't want to buy ACUs for one day and I never wore the current ASU. I wore Dress Greens three times my entire life and I do not like them.
Edit BDU was phased out when I was overseas. I had to check a army article.
We don't wear ribbons on BDUs. Generally, you can wear your military ribbons with your USAF blue uniforms. Wings etc. Can be worn on BDU's, but need to be on an ultramarine background and are a bit hard to come by. ... See CAP manual 39-1 for more info.
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 26, 2015, 11:01:32 PM
I don't want to wear my CIB or anything. Actually I'm wondering if a Senior Member can wear a national defense ribbon or GWOT ribbon on the AF style or BDUs. Just wondered. If any army veterans know... My cousin is graduating from HS he is ROTC. He wants me to wear a uniform. The BDU was phased out the year I enlisted. Can I wear a BDU with the same awards and rank as when I separated from AD? I really don't want to buy ACUs for one day and I never wore the current ASU. I wore Dress Greens three times my entire life and I do not like them.
Where did you serve in the Army that allowed the wear of ribbons on the BDU or ASU uniform? Any "federally" recognized ribbons may be worn on the CAP Service Uniform (Blues w/service coat)-NO STATE AWARDS.
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 26, 2015, 11:01:32 PM
I don't want to wear my CIB or anything.
Actually, I believe that your CIB is fully authorized on BDUs (not the Blue BDUs, but the AF BDUs)
Quote from: MSG Mac on June 27, 2015, 12:45:00 AM
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 26, 2015, 11:01:32 PM
I don't want to wear my CIB or anything. Actually I'm wondering if a Senior Member can wear a national defense ribbon or GWOT ribbon on the AF style or BDUs. Just wondered. If any army veterans know... My cousin is graduating from HS he is ROTC. He wants me to wear a uniform. The BDU was phased out the year I enlisted. Can I wear a BDU with the same awards and rank as when I separated from AD? I really don't want to buy ACUs for one day and I never wore the current ASU. I wore Dress Greens three times my entire life and I do not like them.
Where did you serve in the Army that allowed the wear of ribbons on the BDU or ASU uniform? Any "federally" recognized ribbons may be worn on the CAP Service Uniform (Blues w/service coat)-NO STATE AWARDS.
If it's on your DD-214, you can wear it on the AF style blue uniform (aka Class B). CAPM 39-1 and CAPR 39-3 are the regs you need to check.
Quote from: MSG Mac on June 27, 2015, 12:45:00 AM
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 26, 2015, 11:01:32 PM
I don't want to wear my CIB or anything. Actually I'm wondering if a Senior Member can wear a national defense ribbon or GWOT ribbon on the AF style or BDUs. Just wondered. If any army veterans know... My cousin is graduating from HS he is ROTC. He wants me to wear a uniform. The BDU was phased out the year I enlisted. Can I wear a BDU with the same awards and rank as when I separated from AD? I really don't want to buy ACUs for one day and I never wore the current ASU. I wore Dress Greens three times my entire life and I do not like them.
Where did you serve in the Army that allowed the wear of ribbons on the BDU or ASU uniform? Any "federally" recognized ribbons may be worn on the CAP Service Uniform (Blues w/service coat)-NO STATE AWARDS.
It most definitely was never allowed per AR 670-1 or by any other AR. But, I have worn ribbons on the ACU to funerals and if I broke the rules... Well I'm 100 percent TDIU they can forgive my transgression. I never wore ribbons to work as an 11B. I did wear ribbons on my greens when I separated. I assumed the AF may actually allow wearing them on BDUs. I wore Class As a total of three times. I wouldn't be caught dead wearing the current ASU. We are Army Green not army black and blue circa 1865.
I should clarify that I wouldn't wear the new Army dress uniform it looks like a civil war uniform. But, nevertheless I suppose I'll wear my Greens to the graduation.
Quote from: PHall on June 27, 2015, 01:29:26 AM
Quote from: MSG Mac on June 27, 2015, 12:45:00 AM
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 26, 2015, 11:01:32 PM
I don't want to wear my CIB or anything. Actually I'm wondering if a Senior Member can wear a national defense ribbon or GWOT ribbon on the AF style or BDUs. Just wondered. If any army veterans know... My cousin is graduating from HS he is ROTC. He wants me to wear a uniform. The BDU was phased out the year I enlisted. Can I wear a BDU with the same awards and rank as when I separated from AD? I really don't want to buy ACUs for one day and I never wore the current ASU. I wore Dress Greens three times my entire life and I do not like them.
Where did you serve in the Army that allowed the wear of ribbons on the BDU or ASU uniform? Any "federally" recognized ribbons may be worn on the CAP Service Uniform (Blues w/service coat)-NO STATE AWARDS.
If it's on your DD-214, you can wear it on the AF style blue uniform (aka Class B). CAPM 39-1 and CAPR 39-3 are the regs you need to check.
Yes. I have member 1 and member 4. I have been looking at the regs for the OH Military Reserve same thing pretty much. They actually wear Class A greens and BDUs. You all have very similar AF dress uniforms.
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 26, 2015, 11:01:32 PM
I don't want to wear my CIB or anything. Actually I'm wondering if a Senior Member can wear a national defense ribbon or GWOT ribbon on the AF style or BDUs. Just wondered. If any army veterans know... My cousin is graduating from HS he is ROTC. He wants me to wear a uniform. The BDU was phased out the year I enlisted. Can I wear a BDU with the same awards and rank as when I separated from AD? I really don't want to buy ACUs for one day and I never wore the current ASU. I wore Dress Greens three times my entire life and I do not like them.
I've been following this discussion and I need to clarify something to me. I see you asking a couple of questions:
1. Can you wear ribbons on the CAP BDU?
2. Can you wear Army badges on the CAP BDU?
3 Can you wear your last Army rank/grade on the CAP BDU?
Simple answers:
1. No
2. Yes, but only cloth versions, not metal.
3. No
If I'm mistaken, please let me know.
Thanks for clarifying that. One of the many reasons I wouldn't wear the CIB. Cloth sewing.
The second question though... I didn't wonder about that. Civil Air Patrol doesn't have enlisted and NCO ranks.
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 27, 2015, 04:15:03 AMThe second question though... I didn't wonder about that. Civil Air Patrol doesn't have enlisted and NCO ranks.
Actually they do. CAPR 35-5 section 6-2:
Quote6-2. Initial Eligibility requirements.
a. Currently, those CAP members who are military or former military NCOs and do not wish to be considered for CAP officer grades may be appointed to a CAP NCO grade under provisions of this section. The CAP initial grade granted will be equivalent to the grade held in the active duty military, Reserve or National Guard.
You wear the CAP NCO equivalent insignia for what you earned in the military.
Example: (http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0720/2413/products/CAP1038_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1423542387)
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...not army black and blue circa 1865.
Since when did the US Army wore "black and blue" in 1865?
The standard uniform was
a dark blue shirt and kepi, and light blue pants. Some may have worn a black Stetson, but that was it!
Tell me, where is the black in these photos?
At the bottom, a Cavalry Corporal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_the_United_States_Army
The photo of the
54th Massachusetts Colored Infantry Regiment charging Fort Wagner, are they depicted in black? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/54th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment
Some wore dark blue shirts and pants, but
no black![Edited to add the following.]
After the Civil War, the uniform became dark blue, still no black except maybe hats and belts.
You may be confused by the Navy Blue that some police departments wear. In New York City, the police uniform, the pants and shirts that some EMS wear are dark Navy Blue, that looks almost black.
Tell me this isn't black
http://www.usarak.army.mil/alaskapost/Archives2008/080829/images/Aug29Story5ma_Large.jpg (http://www.usarak.army.mil/alaskapost/Archives2008/080829/images/Aug29Story5ma_Large.jpg)
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 27, 2015, 02:10:33 PM
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...not army black and blue circa 1865.
Since when did the US Army wore "black and blue" in 1865?
The standard uniform was a dark blue shirt and kepi, and light blue pants. Some may have worn a black Stetson, but that was it!
Tell me, where is the black in these photos?
At the bottom, a Cavalry Corporal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_the_United_States_Army
The photo of the 54th Massachusetts Colored Infantry Regiment charging Fort Wagner, are they depicted in black? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/54th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment
Some wore dark blue shirts and pants, but no black!
[Edited to add the following.]
After the Civil War, the uniform became dark blue, still no black except maybe hats and belts.
You may be confused by the Navy Blue that some police departments wear. In New York City, the police uniform, the pants and shirts that some EMS wear are dark Navy Blue, that looks almost black.
Bradley Manning the traitor looked like he was wearing a black coat and blue trousers with a yellow stripe when he was leaving for Leavenworth. The link I included appears to be a civil war uniform in my opinion. The Dress Greens are a much better uniform in appearance. I don't know if you served in the greatest branch of the military aka The U.S. Army but... Remember the tag that comes on the Greens... The Class A uniform the uniform of distinction!
With that I rest my case. First. They allow the black beret. Then they get rid of the woodland BDU and give us the ACU. You can blend in with a rock wearing them I suppose. Then they ditch the Greens for a uniform that is Black and Blue. That soldier has a black coat on in the link I posted. Plus the stripe should be reserved for Commissioned Officers. The Army tried to provide one uniform that served two purposes in the ACU and they believed that the new Army Service Uniform would somehow be better than the Greens. No. I do realize I should have chosen my words more carefully. It is indeed a goofy looking uniform. Whereas I have many good memories and had good luck the three times I wore my Greens. It was always a good day. And In My OPINION it is similar to a civil war uniform.
Quote from: Brad on June 27, 2015, 04:30:02 AM
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 27, 2015, 04:15:03 AMThe second question though... I didn't wonder about that. Civil Air Patrol doesn't have enlisted and NCO ranks.
Actually they do. CAPR 35-5 section 6-2: Quote6-2. Initial Eligibility requirements.
a. Currently, those CAP members who are military or former military NCOs and do not wish to be considered for CAP officer grades may be appointed to a CAP NCO grade under provisions of this section. The CAP initial grade granted will be equivalent to the grade held in the active duty military, Reserve or National Guard.
You wear the CAP NCO equivalent insignia for what you earned in the military.
Example: (http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0720/2413/products/CAP1038_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1423542387)
Ok. But even then you really have no enlisted ranks to keep in check and direct.
Seems that this would be helpful if one was involved in the training of cadets.
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 28, 2015, 05:07:06 AM
Tell me this isn't black
http://www.usarak.army.mil/alaskapost/Archives2008/080829/images/Aug29Story5ma_Large.jpg (http://www.usarak.army.mil/alaskapost/Archives2008/080829/images/Aug29Story5ma_Large.jpg)
It's not black. It's dark blue. When you see this uniform in person it's very obvious.
It is the darkest blue I've seen then. Yeah, because this uniform wasn't issued to incoming recruits when I went through OSUT. When I seperated some chatter went on about getting rid of the greens and getting this goofy looking uniform. Still it's almost black. Very dark blue still doesn't change the fact Greens look better. The wear out date for greens was OCT 2014. Glad it doesn't apply to veterans and AR 670-1.
Quote from: PHall on June 28, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 28, 2015, 05:07:06 AM
Tell me this isn't black
http://www.usarak.army.mil/alaskapost/Archives2008/080829/images/Aug29Story5ma_Large.jpg (http://www.usarak.army.mil/alaskapost/Archives2008/080829/images/Aug29Story5ma_Large.jpg)
It's not black. It's dark blue. When you see this uniform in person it's very obvious.
Taken from Wikipedia:
As of April 2010 all incoming recruits for basic training will receive the new Army Service Uniform. The Army Service uniform is a return to the Army Blue uniform of the Revolutionary War it also recalls the Civil War's blue uniform notably the shoulder straps and the wearing of light blue trousers by enlisted men and officers. Again it looks goofy and old. I will choose my words more carefully next time.
The army is out of freakin control with the bling. When I swtiched from the Marines to the Army I couldn't get over the sheer number of pins I had to put on.
There's a ribbon for everything in the Army. Most of the awards I have on my DD214 are given to everyone just for showing up. But yes tons of bling.
Quote from: Al Sayre on June 27, 2015, 12:35:20 AMWings etc. Can be worn on BDU's, but need to be on an ultramarine background and are a bit hard to come by.
My USAF badges aren't CAP-colored, and nobody's said anything...
Quote from: raivo on June 29, 2015, 12:51:38 AM
Quote from: Al Sayre on June 27, 2015, 12:35:20 AMWings etc. Can be worn on BDU's, but need to be on an ultramarine background and are a bit hard to come by.
My USAF badges aren't CAP-colored, and nobody's said anything...
That is because subdued military badges are totally within the regs and have been as long as I have been in CAP.
CAPM 39-1, Para 5.1.1.3.10. Military Badges. US military badges authorized by AFI 36-2903 for
wear on the USAF-style uniform may be worn when earned through qualification, awarded by competent
authority for service performed in any branch of the armed forces of the United States or its allies, AND
authorized for wear on the USAF uniform by AFI 36-2903. Military badges will be placed in accordance
with AFI 36-2903 and count towards the maximum of four badges worn on the uniform. USAF missile
or excellence-in-competition badges are worn on the wearer's left, and may be sewn to the shirt centered
on the lower left portion of the left breast pocket between left and right edges and bottom of flap and
pocket of BDU shirt, unless a CAP service badge must be worn in this position. Military badges on the
BDUs may be worn in subdued colors as previously authorized by the Air Force for the BDUs if they
cannot be obtained in ultramarine fabric. (bold mine)
Not convenient to get does not equal not obtainable...
I was not answering about the new uniform. I replied to your post stating the Army was wearing black in the 1865.
Although I myself like green for the Army, the Army only wore Green since 1941, and Olive Drab after 1905 or so.
However for most of its history the US Army has worn Dark Blues! In the Revolutionary War, most regulars wore Dark Blue. Some wore Forest Green, I think soldiers from Vermont. Irregulars wore different colors. In the Mexican American War, again it was Dark Blue. It was that way all the way through the Spanish-American War.
The color of the Infantry Arm is Blue, not green.
So that was seen by the leadership, I guess.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 29, 2015, 12:42:05 PM
Some wore Forest Green, I think soldiers from Vermont.
Forest Green was worn by Hiram Berdan's Union sharpshooters.
During the Civil War, although it is commonly taught that North wore blue and the South grey, that was not really the case. During the early part of the war, uniforms were not standardized. You had some North wearing grey and blue while the South wore grey and butternut. Then each state had their own uniform colors. Interestingly, the Grey that the South did eventually start wearing was modeled off of the US Military Academy's cadet grey.
I knew those slight nuances, but forgot. For purposes of keeping this flowing, I chose not to go on specifics otherwise it would have been a long list as there were a lot of variations over the years so I decided to present just generalities.
I mentioned that Forest Green was worn by Revolutionary War soldiers, but you replied that Union Sharpshooters wore Forest Green. Different conflicts. Different wars.
Or should we also start talking about the Civil War Zouaves and their different uniforms? There were Zouaves on both sides...
I think this horse I'd dead, Quit Beating It!
At the risk of running the wrath of all ye for doing this, Rev War uniforms see http://www.history-of-american-wars.com/Revolutionary-War-Uniforms.html (http://www.history-of-american-wars.com/Revolutionary-War-Uniforms.html)
And you can also find several other websites dedicated to the color with changes.
Are we actually still engaged in a uniform thread started by a nonmember concerning a uniform that very few of us even wear? It is clear the OP does not know his history with regard to the uniform in question. Since that has nothing to do with us, I am with MSG Mac. It is dead. Move on.
Quote from: DrewBirds on June 28, 2015, 05:07:06 AM
Tell me this isn't black
http://www.usarak.army.mil/alaskapost/Archives2008/080829/images/Aug29Story5ma_Large.jpg (http://www.usarak.army.mil/alaskapost/Archives2008/080829/images/Aug29Story5ma_Large.jpg)
No, the tunic, or service coat, is dark blue it is not black.
Quote from: THRAWN on June 29, 2015, 03:38:16 PM
Are we actually still engaged in a uniform thread started by a nonmember concerning a uniform that very few of us even wear?
Exactly very few.
I was half right. It does indeed have its roots in the Civil War just look at the thing. If I offended by starting the conversation then I apologize.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 29, 2015, 12:42:05 PM
I was not answering about the new uniform. I replied to your post stating the Army was wearing black in the 1865.
Although I myself like green for the Army, the Army only wore Green since 1941, and Olive Drab after 1905 or so.
However for most of its history the US Army has worn Dark Blues! In the Revolutionary War, most regulars wore Dark Blue. Some wore Forest Green, I think soldiers from Vermont. Irregulars wore different colors. In the Mexican American War, again it was Dark Blue. It was that way all the way through the Spanish-American War.
The color of the Infantry Arm is Blue, not green.
So that was seen by the leadership, I guess.
Yeah I realized that after reading the other posts. I thought you were referring to current things. Either way interesting history thanks for posting the links.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 29, 2015, 02:09:23 PM
I mentioned that Forest Green was worn by Revolutionary War soldiers,
That you did. Apparently all of this Civil War talk is causing me to read Civil War instead of [insert war] War talk.
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