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General Discussion => Membership => Topic started by: Public Affairs Guy on April 06, 2015, 04:34:08 PM

Title: Did CAP Ever Have Senior Member NCOs prior to 11 August 2014?
Post by: Public Affairs Guy on April 06, 2015, 04:34:08 PM
CAP has undergone many changes since it was founded on December 1, 1941. I wasn't on the scene as a senior member until 2009. I'm still working on the article about SDWG's first senior member NCO. Historically speaking, does anyone know, were there senior member NCOs prior to 11 August 2014 with the publication of the new CAPR-35-5?
Title: Did CAP Ever Have Senior Member NCOs prior to 11 August 2014?
Post by: Storm Chaser on April 06, 2015, 05:07:26 PM
Yes, the main difference that the new CAPR 35-5 brought regarding NCOs is their ability to promote. Prior to this change, CAP NCOs could not be promoted unless they were promoted in a military service.
Title: Re: Did CAP Ever Have Senior Member NCOs prior to 11 August 2014?
Post by: LSThiker on April 06, 2015, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: Public Affairs Guy on April 06, 2015, 04:34:08 PM
CAP has undergone many changes since it was founded on December 1, 1941. I wasn't on the scene as a senior member until 2009. I'm still working on the article about SDWG's first senior member NCO. Historically speaking, does anyone know, were there senior member NCOs prior to 11 August 2014 with the publication of the new CAPR-35-5?

Please read this historical document regarding promotions from 1942:

http://history.cap.gov/files/show/786 (http://history.cap.gov/files/show/786)

NCOs were allowed to be promoted by the Base Commander.

Some additional NCO items from WWII:

http://history.cap.gov/files/show/659 (http://history.cap.gov/files/show/659)

http://history.cap.gov/files/show/775 (http://history.cap.gov/files/show/775)

http://history.cap.gov/files/show/717 (http://history.cap.gov/files/show/717)




Title: Re: Did CAP Ever Have Senior Member NCOs prior to 11 August 2014?
Post by: MacGruff on April 07, 2015, 04:46:25 PM
Yes, there were.

I related the story of an NCO that we had in our squadron who chose to leave CAP citing the changes to the stripes. Some here have stated that it was a "convenient excuse". Nonetheless, the story is told on this board.

Title: Re: Did CAP Ever Have Senior Member NCOs prior to 11 August 2014?
Post by: Dragoon on June 02, 2015, 02:27:43 PM
Lots of NCOs in the 60s and 70s, based on a billet-based system of rank.  Each unit had a set number of positions and each grade, and you were limited in promotion based on whether those slots were full or not.  That system was eliminated in part because the class distinction between NCOs and Officers didn't work well in a volunteer organization.  Today's support guy is tomorrow's leader, and visa versa, depending on the job at hand and the resources available.