So the other day I was wearing BDUS to school (approved by Squadron Commander as recruiting material) because it was camouflage day. Got complimented by my AFJROTC sergeants of how well I press my BDUs and my creases 8).
Conversation.
MSgt: So you heard?
Me:What is it sir?
MSgt: Air Force is making it permanently that BDUS will be completely replaced by ABUS now for Cadets.
Me: Really? But I don't think so because the Air Force probably not approving abus for us due to the "line" drawn between us
MSgt: So you guys staying in BDUs?
Me: I guess so.
Note that my unit is already starting its transition to ABUs. Im starting to get them too (man I gotta shovel out 150 bucks on boots now)
Last year during my 2014 leader laboratory activity (its like a CAP encampment but with MTIs,College AFROTC and high school cadets "instructing")
So I've been wonder if CAP is going to get ABUs.
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The answer is no.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Nah not trolling. Not trying to get people excited.
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I think he has a point: BDUs will eventually exit, stage left, to be replaced by either ABUs or the successor to ABUs. I'm pretty sure that will eventually happen once the dust settles around DoD uniforms. (we heard the same "Oh, we'll NEVER get BDUs.." around 1990, but we didn't have the Internet to propagate the meme then..)
However, we're not going to find out its a thing from some random AFJROTC MSgt instructor. :)
The day ABUs become the standard uniform will be the day I get the Blue "BDU" set. ABUs... Many have waited since the day the AF announced them for them to go away. Other than availability, there is no upside to the ABU over the BDU. Many downsides, actually.
31 Oct '11 was a sad day.
"PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE PHASEOUT DATES FOR UNIFORM ITEMS" -Battle Dress Uniform (BDU) 1 November 2011
Not disagreeing that ABUs are a little, uh, un-functional.
I mean, they're basically different color BDUs with no improvements (except a pen pocket) and *really* expensive boots.
It will eventually happen, but I suspect it will be longer than anybody thinks.
We did pick up a large amount of BDU's from a local AFJROTC unit.. as -that- program is making the change.
Quote from: NIN on March 18, 2015, 12:27:43 PM
Not disagreeing that ABUs are a little, uh, un-functional.
I mean, they're basically different color BDUs with no improvements (except a pen pocket) and *really* expensive boots.
It will eventually happen, but I suspect it will be longer than anybody thinks.
Actually the ABUs are cut differently and do not fit the same as BDUs. You are definitely right about the boots and multiple pen pockets. I have to wear ABUs when I'm on duty. If CAP goes to ABUs, I'll be switching to BBDUs too.
So if you already have boots that are authorized for wear with ABU's... what would the expense be? ???
Quote from: shuman14 on March 18, 2015, 05:51:44 PM
So if you already have boots that are authorized for wear with ABU's... what would the expense be? ???
The vast majority of CAP members, particularly cadets, do NOT already have these boots.
It's bad enough being confused for real military in uniforms that aren't currently used...
Quote from: Airplane girl on March 18, 2015, 11:01:18 PM
It's bad enough being confused for real military in uniforms that aren't currently used...
FTFY
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on March 18, 2015, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Airplane girl on March 18, 2015, 11:01:18 PM
It's bad enough being confused for real military in uniforms that aren't currently used...
FTFY
What are you fixing?
Quote from: shuman14 on March 18, 2015, 05:51:44 PM
So if you already have boots that are authorized for wear with ABU's... what would the expense be? ???
The Minimum for boots (lets say Belleville the most reliable 130-150) and the 1 set of abus (new) would be around 250-300 along with all other accessories.
ABUs itself is around 100-150 (with accessories)
I just payed 40 bucks for 2 sets of abus (used) from my unit
For the boots ill try ebay if not Im just gonna buy it new which is 130 bucks.
Quote from: kwe1009 on March 18, 2015, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: NIN on March 18, 2015, 12:27:43 PM
Not disagreeing that ABUs are a little, uh, un-functional.
I mean, they're basically different color BDUs with no improvements (except a pen pocket) and *really* expensive boots.
It will eventually happen, but I suspect it will be longer than anybody thinks.
Actually the ABUs are cut differently and do not fit the same as BDUs. You are definitely right about the boots and multiple pen pockets. I have to wear ABUs when I'm on duty. If CAP goes to ABUs, I'll be switching to BBDUs too.
ABU sizes go by numbers and lengths (34-46 i think? in S,R,L)
Quote from: NIN on March 18, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
I think he has a point: BDUs will eventually exit, stage left, to be replaced by either ABUs or the successor to ABUs. I'm pretty sure that will eventually happen once the dust settles around DoD uniforms. (we heard the same "Oh, we'll NEVER get BDUs.." around 1990, but we didn't have the Internet to propagate the meme then..)
However, we're not going to find out its a thing from some random AFJROTC MSgt instructor. :)
Its not a random thing. He told me that the Air Force is completely replacing BDUs with ABUs by June for Cadets which means there will be no such thing as BDUs anymore. When he say CADETS and asked me it got me wondering if it affects CAP.
Quote from: Full time cadet on March 19, 2015, 04:32:19 AM
Its not a random thing. He told me that the Air Force is completely replacing BDUs with ABUs by June for Cadets which means there will be no such thing as BDUs anymore. When he say CADETS and asked me it got me wondering if it affects CAP.
There are still many places that sell new BDUs, and in fact they are still manufactured. While the US Military may not use them, other organizations and hobbies (i.e. paintball) does.
Quote from: lordmonar on March 18, 2015, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on March 18, 2015, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Airplane girl on March 18, 2015, 11:01:18 PM
It's bad enough being confused for real military in uniforms that aren't currently used...
FTFY
What are you fixing?
There's no fake military, and we're certainly not it. So it's just the military, no real, fake, or sorta about it.
Quote from: Full time cadet on March 19, 2015, 04:32:19 AM
Quote from: NIN on March 18, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
I think he has a point: BDUs will eventually exit, stage left, to be replaced by either ABUs or the successor to ABUs. I'm pretty sure that will eventually happen once the dust settles around DoD uniforms. (we heard the same "Oh, we'll NEVER get BDUs.." around 1990, but we didn't have the Internet to propagate the meme then..)
However, we're not going to find out its a thing from some random AFJROTC MSgt instructor. :)
Its not a random thing. He told me that the Air Force is completely replacing BDUs with ABUs by June for Cadets which means there will be no such thing as BDUs anymore. When he say CADETS and asked me it got me wondering if it affects CAP.
The short answer is no. As of the last 39-1 they decided not to ask for the ABUs. The rational was that the USAF may be changing uniforms soon so why change CAP just to change it again in a few years.
Right, Wrong or indifferent...that was the status last August.
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on March 19, 2015, 04:47:24 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on March 18, 2015, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on March 18, 2015, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Airplane girl on March 18, 2015, 11:01:18 PM
It's bad enough being confused for real military in uniforms that aren't currently used...
FTFY
What are you fixing?
There's no fake military, and we're certainly not it. So it's just the military, no real, fake, or sorta about it.
Certainly there are.
There's these guys http://www.usndcorps.org/index.php/about-us/mission (http://www.usndcorps.org/index.php/about-us/mission)
Quote from: lordmonar on March 19, 2015, 04:48:26 AM
Quote from: Full time cadet on March 19, 2015, 04:32:19 AM
Quote from: NIN on March 18, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
I think he has a point: BDUs will eventually exit, stage left, to be replaced by either ABUs or the successor to ABUs. I'm pretty sure that will eventually happen once the dust settles around DoD uniforms. (we heard the same "Oh, we'll NEVER get BDUs.." around 1990, but we didn't have the Internet to propagate the meme then..)
However, we're not going to find out its a thing from some random AFJROTC MSgt instructor. :)
Its not a random thing. He told me that the Air Force is completely replacing BDUs with ABUs by June for Cadets which means there will be no such thing as BDUs anymore. When he say CADETS and asked me it got me wondering if it affects CAP.
The short answer is no. As of the last 39-1 they decided not to ask for the ABUs. The rational was that the USAF may be changing uniforms soon so why change CAP just to change it again in a few years.
Right, Wrong or indifferent...that was the status last August.
Actually Im on the No side too. Its not like we have long work hours and dont have time to press sleeves and shine boots. We dont need those built in creases and sage green boots then get lazy. ABUs purpose is known for low maintenance so airmen can do their jobs better.
Shining boots and pressing BDUs does no mean you are productive.
If you spend more the 10 minutes on either of them.....you are doing it wrong.
Spend that time preparing for your next promotion exam. Spend that 30 minutes doing some exercise. Spend that time writing your SDA.
I got plenty of things to keep cadets busy....we don't need BDU (and maintenance there of) to be use for busy work.
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Sorry you touched one of my pet peeves. ;D
Why are we still beating this dead horse? Again?
Quote from: SarDragon on March 19, 2015, 05:56:56 AM
Why are we still beating this dead horse? Again?
I'm trying to bury it....but the darned thing keeps trying to get up again. 8)
Quote from: lordmonar on March 19, 2015, 05:02:52 AM
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on March 19, 2015, 04:47:24 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on March 18, 2015, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on March 18, 2015, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Airplane girl on March 18, 2015, 11:01:18 PM
It's bad enough being confused for real military in uniforms that aren't currently used...
FTFY
What are you fixing?
There's no fake military, and we're certainly not it. So it's just the military, no real, fake, or sorta about it.
Certainly there are.
There's these guys http://www.usndcorps.org/index.php/about-us/mission (http://www.usndcorps.org/index.php/about-us/mission)
Wow !!! I wonder if they have ranger units like we do? 8)