CAP SABBATH/SUNDAY - December 6/7
"In 1972, the CAP National Board designated the first Sunday in December as CAP Sunday. Soon after that, the Saturday before was added to the celebration for those whose day of worship is Saturday. The week-end commemorates the fact that CAP was chartered by the U.S. Congress on December 1, 1941. CAP Sunday /Sabbath gives CAP Chaplains an opportunity to acquaint their churches with their ministry as CAP Chaplains. Sometimes units may choose to support their chaplains by all worshipping in the same place, and in uniform. Other units encourage members to attend the church or synagogue of their church in uniform. This is an excellent opportunity to take the message of aerospace to non-CAP members. For chaplains, it is also an excellent opening for telling their religious bodies about the importance of moral leadership in CAP." (CAPP 221A, Chapter 4, p.18)
Each member of the Chaplain Corps, chaplain and CDI, as well as all CAP members, are encouraged to proudly wear their uniform to the worship service they attend on either December 6 or December 7, be it the service dress, the corporate uniform or the blazer combo.
Quote from: Chappie on December 01, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
CAP SABBATH/SUNDAY - December 6/7
"...Sometimes units may choose to support their chaplains by all worshipping in the same place, and in uniform. ..."
Does such a list exist of where the various CAP Chaplain's hold service, or in which denomination? I know for instance that our Wing Chaplain and I do not share a denomination, but I certainly wouldn't mind going to a service of a CAP Chaplain who did share my religion.
Sorry but to my knowledge no list like that exists. You may want to contact either your wing or region chaplain, they may know. As a Wing Chaplain, I knew what denomination/faith group the chaplains in my wing were endorsed by. I only knew information based on my personal/professional relationship with each chaplain.
Quote from: Chappie on December 01, 2014, 07:48:21 PM
Sorry but to my knowledge no list like that exists. You may want to contact either your wing or region chaplain, they may know. As a Wing Chaplain, I knew what denomination/faith group the chaplains in my wing were endorsed by. I only knew information based on my personal/professional relationship with each chaplain.
I will do that, but it seems that may be a resource that the Chaplain's would want to think about developing
All wing chaplains receive a MML, which is a list of all chaplains in CAP. Among other things, said list specifies the religious endorsement of each CAP chaplain.
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 05:20:51 AM
All wing chaplains receive a MML, which is a list of all chaplains in CAP. Among other things, said list specifies the religious endorsement of each CAP chaplain.
Also good to know, I am just suggesting that a tool be developed so a member can look up similar information, in case he can't get in touch with his local CAP chaplain. If I'm having a crisis that I would want to speak to a Chaplain about, I want the circle knowing about it as small as possible.
Quote from: Alaric on December 02, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 05:20:51 AM
All wing chaplains receive a MML, which is a list of all chaplains in CAP. Among other things, said list specifies the religious endorsement of each CAP chaplain.
Also good to know, I am just suggesting that a tool be developed so a member can look up similar information, in case he can't get in touch with his local CAP chaplain. If I'm having a crisis that I would want to speak to a Chaplain about, I want the circle knowing about it as small as possible.
All Chaplains are "supposed to" be able to address anyone, and any faith. Why would there be a need to find a
specific chaplain?
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on December 02, 2014, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Alaric on December 02, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 05:20:51 AM
All wing chaplains receive a MML, which is a list of all chaplains in CAP. Among other things, said list specifies the religious endorsement of each CAP chaplain.
Also good to know, I am just suggesting that a tool be developed so a member can look up similar information, in case he can't get in touch with his local CAP chaplain. If I'm having a crisis that I would want to speak to a Chaplain about, I want the circle knowing about it as small as possible.
All Chaplains are "supposed to" be able to address anyone, and any faith. Why would there be a need to find a specific chaplain?
Religious laws, customs, and mores differ between faiths, and whereas for general ethical or moral questions any chaplain may do, if I want to discuss something CAP mission related from a faith based point of view they'd also need to be of my faith.
Then you don't need a chaplain, just your own priest/religious leader.
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on December 02, 2014, 05:58:23 PM
Then you don't need a chaplain, just your own priest/religious leader.
I'd actually like to speak to someone who is both familiar with the tenets of the faith and with CAP. I have contacted a CAP chaplain and I'm sure he'll get back to me with the information requested. Also thank you Captain Hatkevich for your opinion of what I need, I'll be sure to take it under advisement.
The chaplains' denominational endorsement, as listed on the MML, is part of the National Chaplain Corps admin's general information. It is informational in nature, not intended to be a resource guide for CAP members to be directed to a specific denominational chaplain. As pointed by someone else, CAP chaplains, like their USAF counterparts, need and should operate in a pluralistic environment.
There isn't an actual, printed MML right? It's just a list somewhere in eservices?
Ask the Historian.
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 10:17:42 PM
The chaplains' denominational endorsement, as listed on the MML, is part of the National Chaplain Corps admin's general information. It is informational in nature, not intended to be a resource guide for CAP members to be directed to a specific denominational chaplain. As pointed by someone else, CAP chaplains, like their USAF counterparts, need and should operate in a pluralistic environment.
That's all well and good but since the original comment asking about denomination of the Chaplain was in response to CAP members going to the CAP Chaplain's congregation, doesn't make a lot of sense not to be able to find out the denomination, see below:
Quote from: Chappie on Yesterday at 02:11:35 PM
CAP SABBATH/SUNDAY - December 6/7
"...Sometimes units may choose to support their chaplains by all worshipping in the same place, and in uniform. ..."
Does such a list exist of where the various CAP Chaplain's hold service, or in which denomination? I know for instance that our Wing Chaplain and I do not share a denomination, but I certainly wouldn't mind going to a service of a CAP Chaplain who did share my religion.
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 10:17:42 PM
The chaplains' denominational endorsement, as listed on the MML, is part of the National Chaplain Corps admin's general information. It is informational in nature, not intended to be a resource guide for CAP members to be directed to a specific denominational chaplain. As pointed by someone else, CAP chaplains, like their USAF counterparts, need and should operate in a pluralistic environment.
As I've also stated I agree that denomination is not important for some things but is for others. If I want to ask a question about keeping Kosher at an encampment I would probably want to ask a Jewish Chaplain, if I wanted to keep Halal a Muslim one. Doesnt seem like rocket science.
Your best bet is to ask your own clergy.
Quote from: Alaric on December 02, 2014, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 10:17:42 PM
The chaplains' denominational endorsement, as listed on the MML, is part of the National Chaplain Corps admin's general information. It is informational in nature, not intended to be a resource guide for CAP members to be directed to a specific denominational chaplain. As pointed by someone else, CAP chaplains, like their USAF counterparts, need and should operate in a pluralistic environment.
As I've also stated I agree that denomination is not important for some things but is for others. If I want to ask a question about keeping Kosher at an encampment I would probably want to ask a Jewish Chaplain, if I wanted to keep Halal a Muslim one. Doesnt seem like rocket science.
It's not rocket science. Maybe rocket faith?
But again, why would you need a Chaplain for this? Contact event staff to see if they can accommodate. Contact your religious leader if you are not sure what is Kosher. Why do we need to drag in a Chaplain for a logistical issue?
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on December 02, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Alaric on December 02, 2014, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 10:17:42 PM
The chaplains' denominational endorsement, as listed on the MML, is part of the National Chaplain Corps admin's general information. It is informational in nature, not intended to be a resource guide for CAP members to be directed to a specific denominational chaplain. As pointed by someone else, CAP chaplains, like their USAF counterparts, need and should operate in a pluralistic environment.
As I've also stated I agree that denomination is not important for some things but is for others. If I want to ask a question about keeping Kosher at an encampment I would probably want to ask a Jewish Chaplain, if I wanted to keep Halal a Muslim one. Doesnt seem like rocket science.
It's not rocket science. Maybe rocket faith?
But again, why would you need a Chaplain for this? Contact event staff to see if they can accommodate. Contact your religious leader if you are not sure what is Kosher. Why do we need to drag in a Chaplain for a logistical issue?
From the Chaplain's Handbook (Core Processes)
1. PROVIDES WORSHIP, LITURGIES,
RITES, AND RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCES.
Determines service concept, schedules facility, plans service, coordinates services, accomplishes protocol responsibility, determines support requirement, accomplishes support requirement, procures resources, publicizes services, accomplishes professional preparation, prepares facility, conducts service
or rite, reconfigures and restores facility and prepares documentation. Examples of worship services: Memorial services, Sunday and Sabbath services, and funerals.
7. PROVIDES ADVICE ON RELIGIOUS, ETHICAL, AND QUALITY OF LIFE
CONCERNS. Gathers data, analyzes data, accomplishes professional preparation, determines support requirements, provides information, and performs follow-up. Examples:consultation with commander, consultation with other staff personnel.
And?
We don't get to pick and choose a chaplain for their faith...that defeats the purpose of having them.
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on December 03, 2014, 12:23:23 AM
And?
We don't get to pick and choose a chaplain for their faith...that defeats the purpose of having them.
I don't disagree, but if there is a resource that tells me there is a Chaplain of my faith close by, why not use the resource. And as previously mentioned this entire line of questioning came in response to the statement that one way to celebrate CAP Sabbath/Sunday is to worship at the congregation of a CAP Chaplain. To do that, you kind of need to know the denomination, eh.
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 10:17:42 PM
The chaplains' denominational endorsement, as listed on the MML, is part of the National Chaplain Corps admin's general information. It is informational in nature, not intended to be a resource guide for CAP members to be directed to a specific denominational chaplain. As pointed by someone else, CAP chaplains, like their USAF counterparts, need and should operate in a pluralistic environment.
There is a number code listed but not the specific denomination/faith group/endorser.
When I pastored, I would have several members of the squadron attend our church service on CAP Sunday, even though they were of different denominations -- even faith groups. It gave my parishioners a glimpse of the service I was providing outside the 4 walls of the local church/congregation. And it was a nice show of support by my fellow CAP members.
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 05:20:51 AM
All wing chaplains receive a MML, which is a list of all chaplains in CAP. Among other things, said list specifies the religious endorsement of each CAP chaplain.
Speaking as a former Wing/Region Chaplain who received the MML...it is a a two digit numeric or 2 letter alpha code and not the listing of the specific endorser. Unless one had the key you would not know what these meant and I was never the recipient of one.
This is very interesting. I wish I had known before so I could have arranged to obtain a blue service jacket. Next year for sure.
Wait, what? Has this been hijacked into a uniform post now????
Quote from: AirAux on December 03, 2014, 02:09:06 PM
Wait, what? Has this been hijacked into a uniform post now????
That happens to just about every thread here, remember?
Jack
"...it is a a two digit numeric or 2 letter alpha code and not the listing of the specific endorser."
You are right. The two-letter code refers to denomination affiliation and not to the endorser. I just called the Chief of Chaplain Corps National Office and made them aware of the need for knowing what the code stands for. The new MML should be out this week. Wing chaplains will receive via email an explanation of the code. Hence, your wing chaplain will now be able to better assist you.
Quote from: Chappie on December 03, 2014, 12:43:20 AM
Quote from: SouthernCross on December 02, 2014, 10:17:42 PM
The chaplains' denominational endorsement, as listed on the MML, is part of the National Chaplain Corps admin's general information. It is informational in nature, not intended to be a resource guide for CAP members to be directed to a specific denominational chaplain. As pointed by someone else, CAP chaplains, like their USAF counterparts, need and should operate in a pluralistic environment.
There is a number code listed but not the specific denomination/faith group/endorser.
When I pastored, I would have several members of the squadron attend our church service on CAP Sunday, even though they were of different denominations -- even faith groups. It gave my parishioners a glimpse of the service I was providing outside the 4 walls of the local church/congregation. And it was a nice show of support by my fellow CAP members.
That sounds very nice.
At my wedding I several CAP members as guests and the Wing Chaplain officiated it. Very nice indeed. 8)