I had a cadet over 18 ask if he could be a scanner. I thought the answer was no but I'm having trouble finding the reg to confirm. Can someone help me with this question?
Cadets over 18 may serve as any aircrew position, including pilot.
Quote from: IAV8 on November 09, 2014, 04:15:10 PM
I had a cadet over 18 ask if he could be a scanner. I thought the answer was no but I'm having trouble finding the reg to confirm. Can someone help me with this question?
Just why do you think a cadet can not be a scanner? Personal bias maybe?
Quote from: Eclipse on November 09, 2014, 04:31:12 PM
Cadets over 18 may serve as any aircrew position, including pilot.
Really? They won't let an 18 year old cadet GTL drive a van, but they'll let him/her fly a $170,000 plane? I want whatever it is you're smoking/drinking/shooting/snorting...
Quote from: Garibaldi on November 09, 2014, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 09, 2014, 04:31:12 PM
Cadets over 18 may serve as any aircrew position, including pilot.
Really? They won't let an 18 year old cadet GTL drive a van, but they'll let him/her fly a $170,000 plane? I want whatever it is you're smoking/drinking/shooting/snorting...
Yeah really. This isnt a new thing either. And keep your paws off my beverage.
Quote from: Garibaldi on November 09, 2014, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 09, 2014, 04:31:12 PM
Cadets over 18 may serve as any aircrew position, including pilot.
Really? They won't let an 18 year old cadet GTL drive a van, but they'll let him/her fly a $170,000 plane? I want whatever it is you're smoking/drinking/shooting/snorting...
Really Really old news......also there is a caveat that a cadet can't pilot if there are ANY other cadets on board.
Also pleas not that an 20year 11 month old senior member GTL can't drive CAP vans either.
Quote from: Garibaldi on November 09, 2014, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 09, 2014, 04:31:12 PM
Cadets over 18 may serve as any aircrew position, including pilot.
Really? They won't let an 18 year old cadet GTL drive a van, but they'll let him/her fly a $170,000 plane? I want whatever it is you're smoking/drinking/shooting/snorting...
The amount of training required to be a pilot far exceeds that required to obtain a driver's license.
Nowhere in the 60-1 is there any age restriction for piloting, except to be a glider tow pilot. Also, cadet pilots may not carry other cadets as crew or passengers. That's it.
Just why do you think a cadet can not be a scanner? Personal bias maybe?
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Sometimes a question is just a question. I told the cadet I did not know and then looked for the answer via the regs. It seems you are looking to stir something up. My intent is to get that cadet in the air. What's your end game?
Thank you all for the quick response to the question.
There's also a lot less stupidity to run into in the air, than on the roads, quite frankly.
Quote from: IAV8 on November 09, 2014, 10:02:48 PM
Just why do you think a cadet can not be a scanner? Personal bias maybe?
Sometimes a question is just a question. I told the cadet I did not know and then looked for the answer via the regs. It seems you are looking to stir something up. My intent is to get that cadet in the air. What's your end game?
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The fact that you thought the answer was no and you were looking for a reg to confirm that.
The way I read that was that you had already made up your mind and were reg shopping to back you up.
Point made PHall. I try never to put my ego in front getting the answer right. It seems that I didn't wordsmith my question correctly.
I heard someone was giving out free beverages in this thread...
Quote from: SarDragon on November 09, 2014, 07:37:29 PM
Quote from: Garibaldi on November 09, 2014, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 09, 2014, 04:31:12 PM
Cadets over 18 may serve as any aircrew position, including pilot.
Really? They won't let an 18 year old cadet GTL drive a van, but they'll let him/her fly a $170,000 plane? I want whatever it is you're smoking/drinking/shooting/snorting...
The amount of training required to be a pilot far exceeds that required to obtain a driver's license.
Nowhere in the 60-1 is there any age restriction for piloting, except to be a glider tow pilot. Also, cadet pilots may not carry other cadets as crew or passengers. That's it.
Somehow I got it in my head that he was referring to MP.I just question the logic of $15k van vs. $170k plane being flown by a cadet. Now that its been 'splained I get it.
Heck...I'm 24. Have a CAP DL, and larger vehicle expeeience. Still don't like driving them.
Quote from: Garibaldi on November 10, 2014, 10:18:02 AM
Somehow I got it in my head that he was referring to MP.I just question the logic of $15k van vs. $170k plane being flown by a cadet. Now that its been 'splained I get it.
A study that examined the GA accidents from 1983 to 2002 (40,000 incidents) (which accounted for 82% of all aircraft accidents) demonstrated that only experience plays a significant role in aircraft accidents. Age and gender had no significant role. Although, if you were over 60 years old, you were significantly more likely to be involved in a fatal accident.
As far as driving, there is a reason why insurance rates drop significantly after 25 years old and also why you typically cannot rent a car if under 25 y/o.
Bazargan, M. and V. S. Guzhva. 2011. Impact of gender, age, and experience of pilots on general aviation accidents. Accident analysis & Prevention, 43: 962-970.
Quote from: LSThiker on November 10, 2014, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: Garibaldi on November 10, 2014, 10:18:02 AM
Somehow I got it in my head that he was referring to MP.I just question the logic of $15k van vs. $170k plane being flown by a cadet. Now that its been 'splained I get it.
A study that examined the GA accidents from 1983 to 2002 (40,000 incidents) (which accounted for 82% of all aircraft accidents) demonstrated that only experience plays a significant role in aircraft accidents. Age and gender had no significant role. Although, if you were over 60 years old, you were significantly more likely to be involved in a fatal accident.
As far as driving, there is a reason why insurance rates drop significantly after 25 years old and also why you typically cannot rent a car if under 25 y/o.
Bazargan, M. and V. S. Guzhva. 2011. Impact of gender, age, and experience of pilots on general aviation accidents. Accident analysis & Prevention, 43: 962-970.
Driving can of course go back to the same "experience" benchmark. Someone driving at 16 is going to be more experienced by 30, than someone who started at 18 or 21, but maturity is a big factor in that as well.
I always found it interesting that in Europe, drinking starts earlier, while driving much later. Perhaps that's something we need to look at as well.
Of course that goes to the thought that younger people are less mature, and gain significant "insights" in the 16-20s age range. I've said it many times, Looking back at my 18 year old self, six years later, makes me want to go all Red Forman on myself. It's incredible, that with every few years, the more I look back at how I remember "being and thinking" at 18 and how I am now...I scare myself.
I've been driving for a little over 8 years now. I've had 2 tickets (one speeding at 17, one improper lane use at 18), and one accident at 22, which I tried to avoid, but was T-boned anyway (not at fault). Then of course I know plenty of people my age who would take their M5s 180MPH on the highway, or do 80MPH on a residential street, or wonder why cops are richards to them when they go to court of their upteenth time for speeding or worse.
You simply can't compare the two behaviors.
General Aviation flying is a detail-orientated, checklist-driven, exercise in focused attention that usually requires a
personal passion to even consider.
Driving passenger vehicles is considered a "right" (even though it isn't), and is so ingrained in the American culture
that it is treated as an innate ability, taken for granted, and usually executed with 1/2 attention on a good day.
The other thing here is that the statistics are meaningless. The number of pilots under 18, or even under 21, for that matter,
when compared with the number of passenger vehicle drivers, is statistically zero - just like making the argument
that commercial aviation is magnitudes safer then driving a car. That's technically true, but not very useful in making the comparison.
I was a cadet scanner in my old wing before joining the service. It's all about been mature and be committed. I can't explain the filling you have when some one give you the approval and the responsability you get with that. It will help any cadet to be more responsible, and help with their level of confidence and also to your squadron. I can be use as a incentive to any cadet want it to be part of the crew and also help with the shortage of crew members.
And yes some one was offering drinks. Somewhere.