My kids in the scouts are building their first Aid kits, and it's about time I replaced the crunchy ones in
all my gear.
Anyone have a particular brand or style they like? Looking for a cheap source, preferably eBay, etc.
eBay has a lot of black tattooing gloves, wondering if they make any difference? Non-latex preferred.
I keep a box around the shop for anything oily or dirty and noticed today they say "not for chemical protection".
Oops.
I use the blue nitrile gloves from Home Depot. They aren't guaranteed sterile, but the price is right, and they are OK in a typical first aid environment.
The only problem I see is the one-size-fits-all aspect.
Quote from: SarDragon on October 14, 2014, 02:19:02 AMThe only problem I see is the one-size-fits-all aspect.
Yeah, that's an issue for me - I need XXL.
Use the blue ones all the time at work. Keeps the waterproofing crap in the phone cables (aka ickypic) off of your hands.
They're pretty tuff yet thin enough that you still can feel things.
Quote from: PHall on October 14, 2014, 02:38:29 AM
Use the blue ones all the time at work. Keeps the waterproofing crap in the phone cables (aka ickypic) off of your hands.
They're pretty tuff yet thin enough that you still can feel things.
There was a guy in our garage we all hated with a purple passion. One night after arriving back late, I found out he was going on vacation. I set my revenge for an earlier slight in motion. I put old cable tips in his hub caps, and smeared ickypic all over his door handles, so when he returned he would get an unwelcome welcome back present.
I forgot the next day, Sunday, was inventory, and the boss had to go through our trucks.
He didn't call me out directly on Monday, but he and everyone knew about the feud. He calmly suggested that next time I try JB Weld on his locker.
Quote from: Garibaldi on October 14, 2014, 02:59:23 AM
Quote from: PHall on October 14, 2014, 02:38:29 AM
Use the blue ones all the time at work. Keeps the waterproofing crap in the phone cables (aka ickypic) off of your hands.
They're pretty tuff yet thin enough that you still can feel things.
There was a guy in our garage we all hated with a purple passion. One night after arriving back late, I found out he was going on vacation. I set my revenge for an earlier slight in motion. I put old cable tips in his hub caps, and smeared ickypic all over his door handles, so when he returned he would get an unwelcome welcome back present.
I forgot the next day, Sunday, was inventory, and the boss had to go through our trucks.
He didn't call me out directly on Monday, but he and everyone knew about the feud. He calmly suggested that next time I try JB Weld on his locker.
You must be in Construction, you have a locker. Maintenance don't get no lockers...
Blue it is, found them on eBay for about $12 a box of 100.
I thought the black ones looked cool but I think the kids were a little freaked out by them.
Just FYI, when dealing with gloves for medical uses, you dont want black gloves. It's too difficult to tell when you get blood or other fluids on them. My favorite is Kimberly Clark's purple nitrile gloves. (http://www.amazon.com/Kimberly-Clark-Examination-Gloves-Large-Size/dp/B003EV6XNA/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1413271031&sr=8-9&keywords=kimberly+clark+nitrile+gloves+large (http://www.amazon.com/Kimberly-Clark-Examination-Gloves-Large-Size/dp/B003EV6XNA/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1413271031&sr=8-9&keywords=kimberly+clark+nitrile+gloves+large)) ]Purple and light blue are the most common colors.
As for sterility, that is really only worried about in a hospital setting. Pre-hospital, the only sterile gloves carried are in OB kits.
Quote from: PHall on October 14, 2014, 03:40:11 AM
Quote from: Garibaldi on October 14, 2014, 02:59:23 AM
Quote from: PHall on October 14, 2014, 02:38:29 AM
Use the blue ones all the time at work. Keeps the waterproofing crap in the phone cables (aka ickypic) off of your hands.
They're pretty tuff yet thin enough that you still can feel things.
There was a guy in our garage we all hated with a purple passion. One night after arriving back late, I found out he was going on vacation. I set my revenge for an earlier slight in motion. I put old cable tips in his hub caps, and smeared ickypic all over his door handles, so when he returned he would get an unwelcome welcome back present.
I forgot the next day, Sunday, was inventory, and the boss had to go through our trucks.
He didn't call me out directly on Monday, but he and everyone knew about the feud. He calmly suggested that next time I try JB Weld on his locker.
You must be in Construction, you have a locker. Maintenance don't get no lockers...
No...the dregs of the company...uverse.
Quote from: Garibaldi on October 14, 2014, 02:59:23 AM
There was a guy in our garage we all hated with a purple passion. One night after arriving back late, I found out he was going on vacation. I set my revenge for an earlier slight in motion. I put old cable tips in his hub caps, and smeared ickypic all over his door handles, so when he returned he would get an unwelcome welcome back present.
I forgot the next day, Sunday, was inventory, and the boss had to go through our trucks.
He didn't call me out directly on Monday, but he and everyone knew about the feud. He calmly suggested that next time I try JB Weld on his locker.
First, cadets read this board and I don't think the above is very good reading for them, especially the part about the ickpic - that is vandalism at best and destruction of property at worst. I find it hard, given CAPs values, that any of the above fits in that.
Second, you may have been lucky the boss found it. Things like you did have a tendency to escalate - they certainly would if I were your victim - and I guarantee you wouldn't like the revenge, which now tops what you did - and on and on.
Quote from: RRLE on October 14, 2014, 11:29:35 AM
Quote from: Garibaldi on October 14, 2014, 02:59:23 AM
There was a guy in our garage we all hated with a purple passion. One night after arriving back late, I found out he was going on vacation. I set my revenge for an earlier slight in motion. I put old cable tips in his hub caps, and smeared ickypic all over his door handles, so when he returned he would get an unwelcome welcome back present.
I forgot the next day, Sunday, was inventory, and the boss had to go through our trucks.
He didn't call me out directly on Monday, but he and everyone knew about the feud. He calmly suggested that next time I try JB Weld on his locker.
First, cadets read this board and I don't think the above is very good reading for them, especially the part about the ickpic - that is vandalism at best and destruction of property at worst. I find it hard, given CAPs values, that any of the above fits in that.
Second, you may have been lucky the boss found it. Things like you did have a tendency to escalate - they certainly would if I were your victim - and I guarantee you wouldn't like the revenge, which now tops what you did - and on and on.
Lighten up, Francis. We all have said much much worse. But, thanks for your input! Next caller, please!
Quote from: Eclipse on October 14, 2014, 03:50:26 AM
Blue it is, found them on eBay for about $12 a box of 100.
I thought the black ones looked cool but I think the kids were a little freaked out by them.
I definitely recommend against Black Gloves. Doing a Blood Sweep with black gloves is dumb...you can't see the blood or any other contaminant on your gloves especially in low light. I like the Blue or Purple. but Black is Tacticool just not very practical.
Quote from: RangerConlin on October 14, 2014, 07:19:49 AM
Just FYI, when dealing with gloves for medical uses, you dont want black gloves. It's too difficult to tell when you get blood or other fluids on them. My favorite is Kimberly Clark's purple nitrile gloves. (http://www.amazon.com/Kimberly-Clark-Examination-Gloves-Large-Size/dp/B003EV6XNA/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1413271031&sr=8-9&keywords=kimberly+clark+nitrile+gloves+large (http://www.amazon.com/Kimberly-Clark-Examination-Gloves-Large-Size/dp/B003EV6XNA/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1413271031&sr=8-9&keywords=kimberly+clark+nitrile+gloves+large)) ]Purple and light blue are the most common colors.
As for sterility, that is really only worried about in a hospital setting. Pre-hospital, the only sterile gloves carried are in OB kits.
I made a post after you posted this reaffirming your exact point.
We did carry Sterile Gloves though but that was just primarily just for some interfacility transport work if you had the help manage an Arterial Line...which was only on a very rare occasion for that those find themselves in the back of an ambulance. Sometimes I'd use Sterile Glove if I was handling sterile gauze and had to pack some kind of wound. In theory they should still be carried, but I found that most Paramedics don't train on Donning the gloves properly and than having someone else who knows how to hand you a sterile object without contaminating it themselves.
Quote from: Garibaldi on October 14, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: PHall on October 14, 2014, 03:40:11 AM
Quote from: Garibaldi on October 14, 2014, 02:59:23 AM
Quote from: PHall on October 14, 2014, 02:38:29 AM
Use the blue ones all the time at work. Keeps the waterproofing crap in the phone cables (aka ickypic) off of your hands.
They're pretty tuff yet thin enough that you still can feel things.
There was a guy in our garage we all hated with a purple passion. One night after arriving back late, I found out he was going on vacation. I set my revenge for an earlier slight in motion. I put old cable tips in his hub caps, and smeared ickypic all over his door handles, so when he returned he would get an unwelcome welcome back present.
I forgot the next day, Sunday, was inventory, and the boss had to go through our trucks.
He didn't call me out directly on Monday, but he and everyone knew about the feud. He calmly suggested that next time I try JB Weld on his locker.
You must be in Construction, you have a locker. Maintenance don't get no lockers...
No...the dregs of the company...uverse.
Ah yessss, a victim of the dreaded Appendix E of the contract! :o
this is going to sound crazy but here goes.
Go to your local Taco Bell and ask to speak to the General Manager.
Taco Bell uses Nitrile gloves on their production line. They go through so many that their cost is less than $9.00 per box. Ask politely for them to donate a few boxes in exchange for a few hours of clean up duty on the property.
The gloves are THICK exam grade quality.
You may be pleasantly surprised when you get the gloves without the cleaning exchange.
I'll pay $90 for a box of gloves before I'll clean the parking lot at Taco Bell.
Quote from: EMT-83 on October 16, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
I'll pay $90 for a box of gloves before I'll clean the parking lot at Taco Bell.
HEH - same thing I thought, but an interesting idea.
Kidding aside, this might be a good time to do BPP refreshers.
It would appear even medical professionals have some issues with the fundamentals, let alone CAP people.
Quote from: Eclipse on October 16, 2014, 02:01:17 PM
Kidding aside, this might be a good time to do BPP refreshers.
It would appear even medical professionals have some issues with the fundamentals, let alone CAP people.
I was actually going to do that as part of my ES briefing tonight.
Quote from: Eclipse on October 16, 2014, 02:01:17 PM
Kidding aside, this might be a good time to do BPP refreshers.
It would appear even medical professionals have some issues with the fundamentals, let alone CAP people.
*shudders*
I really hope they figure out HOW it was transmitted. Either there's a vector we don't know about that's semi-airborne, or some people are REALLY bad at realizing when they should be 10x more careful taking off ebola covered stuff.
From the news stories, it would appear the hospital was somewhat lax in their protocols and training,
especially in regards to REMOVING contaminated gear. I know for me, personally, removing gloves without
getting "ick" on your hands has always been a challenge. Try it sometime with food-colored water or
vegetable oil and see if you come up clean.
There appears to be plenty of blame to go around, and of course we won't have the whole story until
the Frontline documentary next year, but seriously, you're a health care worker involved with a highly contagious,
highly visible disease and you decide it's a good idea to get on an airplane? I mean Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
And some reports are saying the CDC was consulted and didn't object.
This is a textbook example of the kinds of things I harp on here about all the time - there are established
protocols, policies, regulations and checks and balances, but if you ignore them because you "know better"
badness happens.
In this case, from nearly end-to-end (based only on news reports) it would appear that the entire system,
including CBP broke down, coupled with a lack of common sense on the part of the infected people.
Quote from: Eclipse on October 16, 2014, 02:55:41 PM
From the news stories, it would appear the hospital was somewhat lax in their protocols and training,
especially in regards to REMOVING contaminated gear. I know for me, personally, removing gloves without
getting "ick" on your hands has always been a challenge. Try it sometime with food-colored water or
vegetable oil and see if you come up clean.
Right. But then...again...EBOLA. I think I'd take my time and be extra careful, would like to have a UV shower plus a chemical shower. Thanks, High School, for making me read The Hot Zone.
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on October 16, 2014, 02:45:42 PM
I really hope they figure out HOW it was transmitted. Either there's a vector we don't know about that's semi-airborne, or some people are REALLY bad at realizing when they should be 10x more careful taking off ebola covered stuff.
There are no vectors that are airborne. A vector is a method of transmission of an infectious disease through the use of another organism. The most common is the arthropod (particularly tick and mosquito are the most common). Current science demonstrates no known vectors for Ebola virus. The fruit bat is thought to be the reservoir of the virus, however. Ebola zaire (not reston as in Hot Zone) has never been shown to be airborne despite numerous studies and real world outbreaks. It, however, is know to be passed through aerosolization. This fact has made it a Tier I select agent.
I do not work at the Dallas Texas hospital so I do not know what the protocols are. However, I do work with Risk Group 3 organisms (Ebola is RG4). The end result will realistically be a failure on both the hospital and the employees. Needless to say, the gear worn in a BSL4 and the gear worn in a hospital isolation unit are vastly different. The isolation unit at UNMC uses a BSL3-Enhanced PPE while the BSL4 uses the "space suit". The only medical facility which used a BSL4 engineering was the USAMRIID MCS (the slammer). Unfortunately, this facility was closed in 2010. It is my understanding that until now, there has never been talk of reopening a BSL4 medical containment facility and only using BSL3E facilities at places like Emroy and UNMC.
Quotewould like to have a UV shower
UV is actually a terrible method. Although it was used in the past, and still is used in limited capacity, the effectiveness is marginal at best. While manufacturers claim it can "disinfect" (not sterilize) 99.9999%, these are under the optimal conditions. In real life situations, that number is much lower. UV lights (not just normal UV lights) for this purpose are only good for 4-5 months and the object must be within 6 inches to effectively work. If there is dust or other materials blocking the source and the target, then the effectiveness continues to decrease. Furthermore, it must come into contact with all surfaces for a prolonged period of time (hours).
Removing the protective gear is normally where the problems are.
When I used to have to do Checimal Weapons Defense class just about every person who got "comtaminated" was removing their protective gear when it happened.