I've been a cadet for little more than a year, and I've started looking into CAP's more recent history. Who was Maj Gen Pineda and why was he removed from command, stripped of rank and 2B'd? Also, what was the objective of the Corporate Uniform, U.S. Civil Air Patrol tapes, and the like? I'm just curious.
Mister Pineda was relieved of command for a number of things. Awarding himself the Silver Medal of Valor, and allegedly having someone else take an Air Command and Staff College test for him. Among other things. The Corpoate uniform was a distinctive CAP uniform which allowed members who didn't meet the height and weight or grooming standards.
Quote from: MSG Mac on August 16, 2014, 07:42:09 AM
Mister Pineda was relieved of command for a number of things. Awarding himself the Silver Medal of Valor, and allegedly having someone else take an Air Command and Staff College test for him. Among other things. The Corpoate uniform was a distinctive CAP uniform which allowed members who didn't meet the height and weight or grooming standards.
The CSU was only worn by the heavy people. Those of us who didn't meet grooming standards weren't allowed to wear it.
Quote from: SarDragon on August 16, 2014, 08:26:07 AM
Quote from: MSG Mac on August 16, 2014, 07:42:09 AM
Mister Pineda was relieved of command for a number of things. Awarding himself the Silver Medal of Valor, and allegedly having someone else take an Air Command and Staff College test for him. Among other things. The Corpoate uniform was a distinctive CAP uniform which allowed members who didn't meet the height and weight or grooming standards.
The CSU was only worn by the heavy people. Those of us who didn't meet grooming standards weren't allowed to wear it.
Thus creating a "third class" of members.
Quote from: MSG Mac on August 16, 2014, 07:42:09 AM
Mister Pineda was relieved of command for a number of things. Awarding himself the Silver Medal of Valor, and allegedly having someone else take an Air Command and Staff College test for him. Among other things. The Corpoate uniform was a distinctive CAP uniform which allowed members who didn't meet the height and weight or grooming standards.
How do you even give the silver medal of valor?
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 16, 2014, 07:25:50 AM
Who was Maj Gen Pineda
Otherwise known around these parts as "He Who Shall Never Be Named". (That's in case you see the acronym HWSNBN or something like that.)
Jack
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 16, 2014, 08:03:53 PM
How do you even give the silver medal of valor?
In a nutshell, a member writes up a CAPF 120 with the events. Sends it through the chain of command for approval up to the CSAG. The CSAG votes on it and is the approving authority. For more details, checkout CAPR 39-3.
Quote from: ColonelJack on August 16, 2014, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 16, 2014, 07:25:50 AM
Who was Maj Gen Pineda
Otherwise known around these parts as "He Who Shall Never Be Named". (That's in case you see the acronym HWSNBN or something like that.)
Jack
Probably why I've never heard of him until recently.
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 17, 2014, 12:16:13 AM
Quote from: ColonelJack on August 16, 2014, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 16, 2014, 07:25:50 AM
Who was Maj Gen Pineda
Otherwise known around these parts as "He Who Shall Never Be Named". (That's in case you see the acronym HWSNBN or something like that.)
Jack
Probably why I've never heard of him until recently.
Some refer to him as "Fat Tony"
Quote from: MSG Mac on August 17, 2014, 12:39:13 AM
Some refer to him as "Fat Tony"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/FatTony.png)
Not to mention HWSRN's penchant for relieving from command anyone who opposed or disagreed his policies. Many a good wing or region commander had their CAP careers abruptly cut short. Cronyism was rampant.
IIRC, one of the other things that brought about his downfall was his proposed change to the term of the National Commander to allow for unlimited reelection. Which is why we now have our current executive command structure (BoG, CSAG, CCC).
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on August 17, 2014, 01:53:55 PM
Not to mention HWSRN's penchant for relieving from command anyone who opposed or disagreed his policies. Many a good wing or region commander had their CAP careers abruptly cut short. Cronyism was rampant.
IIRC, one of the other things that brought about his downfall was his proposed change to the term of the National Commander to allow for unlimited reelection. Which is why we now have our current executive command structure (BoG, CSAG, CCC).
It was part of the equation, however it is a gross oversimplification of what happened. FT's part was the continuation of a process which ended in 2012. There is a reason why former National Commanders are now prohibited from becoming BoG members for 6 years following their terms. The "old way" became a recipe for politcs and polarization; not good for us. Cronyism still exists, however it has been reduced with our new governance system, because we no longer have the "self licking ice cream cone".
FT deserved everything that came to him, however "the system" let it happen. The system changed because it needed to. And if the "powers that be" had their way, things would be different; with a paid National Commander that was the top of the pyramid, congressional charter change, and a subserviant BoG. Thank goodness for level heads and reasonableness!
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 16, 2014, 07:25:50 AM
I've been a cadet for little more than a year, and I've started looking into CAP's more recent history. Who was Maj Gen Pineda and why was he removed from command, stripped of rank and 2B'd? Also, what was the objective of the Corporate Uniform, U.S. Civil Air Patrol tapes, and the like? I'm just curious.
<begin scroll> "A long time ago, in a galaxy, far, far away...." <end scroll>
Snipping a portion from "A Tale of Two Cities": "...it was the worst of times."
Quoting Forrest Gump: "And that is all I have to say about that."
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on August 17, 2014, 01:53:55 PM
Not to mention HWSRN's penchant for relieving from command anyone who opposed or disagreed his policies. Many a good wing or region commander had their CAP careers abruptly cut short. Cronyism was rampant.
And (from what I understand) one VERY good National CV - Gen. Glasgow. Everything I've heard about him says he was an asset to CAP. Considering all we now know (and then suspected), General Glasgow should get his membership and his star back.
My opinion, of course.
Jack
Rex had his membership reinstated in 2007. Unfortunately, it turned out he was not so innocent as he claimed. He resigned soon after the full truth was found. Life is not always so simple.
To answer the OP's question. Pineda's membership was terminated by the BoG for gross abuse of office. It did so after temporarily suspending the CAP constitution and by laws.
"US Civil Air Patrol" was approved by the National Board after agreeing with FT's argument that there were other civil air patrols. The name was removed in 2008. The CSU was a corporate uniform approved by the NB in 2006. It was removed by the NEC in 2010.
Thanks, Colonel. I stand corrected.
Jack
Quote from: MSG Mac on August 17, 2014, 12:39:13 AM
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 17, 2014, 12:16:13 AM
Quote from: ColonelJack on August 16, 2014, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 16, 2014, 07:25:50 AM
Who was Maj Gen Pineda
Otherwise known around these parts as "He Who Shall Never Be Named". (That's in case you see the acronym HWSNBN or something like that.)
Jack
Probably why I've never heard of him until recently.
Some refer to him as "Fat Tony"
Thanks for clarifying that. I thought it stood for F*** T**D.
Quote from: MSG Mac on August 17, 2014, 12:39:13 AM
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 17, 2014, 12:16:13 AM
Quote from: ColonelJack on August 16, 2014, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 16, 2014, 07:25:50 AM
Who was Maj Gen Pineda
Otherwise known around these parts as "He Who Shall Never Be Named". (That's in case you see the acronym HWSNBN or something like that.)
Jack
Probably why I've never heard of him until recently.
Some refer to him as "Fat Tony"
Some of us preferred "Little Fidel"...
Letter from Glasgow here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1635659/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1635659/posts)
Quote from: FW on August 17, 2014, 05:05:52 PM
Rex had his membership reinstated in 2007. Unfortunately, it turned out he was not so innocent as he claimed. He resigned soon after the full truth was found. Life is not always so simple.
I do not remember hearing that part of the story. I knew about the reinstatement, but heard nothing after that.
Quote from: Chappie on August 17, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: FuturePilot5479 on August 16, 2014, 07:25:50 AM
I've been a cadet for little more than a year, and I've started looking into CAP's more recent history. Who was Maj Gen Pineda and why was he removed from command, stripped of rank and 2B'd? Also, what was the objective of the Corporate Uniform, U.S. Civil Air Patrol tapes, and the like? I'm just curious.
<begin scroll> "A long time ago, in a galaxy, far, far away...." <end scroll>
Snipping a portion from "A Tale of Two Cities": "...it was the worst of times."
Quoting Forrest Gump: "And that is all I have to say about that."
Now....that was an adventure. :)
Seriously, how long has the search CAPTalk search function and Google been down?
http://captalk.net/index.php?action=search2 (http://captalk.net/index.php?action=search2)
http://bit.ly/YlGEZP (http://bit.ly/YlGEZP)
There's Eleventy-Twelveteen threads on HWSRN, Wikipedia mentions, CAPBlog story, not to mention
all the hits on his name via Google.
Quote from: FW on August 17, 2014, 05:05:52 PM
Rex had his membership reinstated in 2007. Unfortunately, it turned out he was not so innocent as he claimed. He resigned soon after the full truth was found. Life is not always so simple.
Exactly what truth was that? Last I knew he was still a member albeit inactive.
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on August 28, 2014, 01:24:32 AM
Exactly what truth was that? Last I knew he was still a member albeit inactive.
No, he is no longer a member according to eServices.
Back in Oct. 2008.. http://www.ncrpao.org/ncr_news/ncr_news_2008_10.pdf (http://www.ncrpao.org/ncr_news/ncr_news_2008_10.pdf)
..gone within a year, again.
Is there a Wika on this Glasgow Fella?
Quote from: LSThiker on August 28, 2014, 03:17:23 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on August 28, 2014, 01:24:32 AM
Exactly what truth was that? Last I knew he was still a member albeit inactive.
No, he is no longer a member according to eServices.
As I remember, Rex was reinstated as a Patron member in late 2007. He became active in 2008, and transfered to NCR. At that time, I understand he promised to perform certain requirements before Gen Courter would bring up the subject of having the NEC consider reinstating his grade (to Col).
Those requirements were not performed. As a result, Mr. Glasgow was not promoted. He did not renew his membership.
Quote from: FW on August 28, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
As I remember, Rex was reinstated as a Patron member in late 2007. He became active in 2008, and transfered to NCR. At that time, I understand he promised to perform certain requirements before Gen Courter would bring up the subject of having the NEC consider reinstating his grade (to Col).
Those requirements were not performed. As a result, Mr. Glasgow was not promoted. He did not renew his membership.
Do not know about the Gen Courter thing, but yes. He rejoined in 2007, became an NCR member in 2008, then promptly left after that. Why he left, I never heard the story. But to address Johnny Yuma, Rex Glasgow is no longer a member in CAP.
I Just wonder how could such a bad thing happen in CAP. I mean "Fat Tony" is still proclaiming his innocence, but he couldnt receive what he dished out. But I Digress....
Quote from: Devil Doc on August 28, 2014, 06:03:08 PM
I Just wonder how could such a bad thing happen in CAP. I mean "Fat Tony" is still proclaiming his innocence, but he couldnt receive what he dished out. But I Digress....
His situation should have been addressed before he ever got his first eagle, but as I've whined about a lot lately,
when the leadership feels compelled or at least empowered to look the other way when things which are obviously an issue
are brought to their attention, people move from empowered to emboldened. In those situations, "good actors" tend
to flourish, and "bad actors" can get themselves hip deep in trouble before anyone takes action (or even notice).
Hindsight is also 20/20, but with that said his tenure are a "leader" both at the Wing and Region level
was tinged with complaints and questionable decisions for years before he ascended to a star.
After his first tour of duty as FL Wing King he got a second? Plenty of warning flags but as history has shown. A lack of moral courage always sets up a "EPIC FAIL" scenario. JMHO YMMV 8)
As I have seen in quite a few volunteer organization, no one really rocks the boat when they are living the high life; and those that sang the praises of TP, were rewarded. Those that had the courage to rock the boat were quickly thrown over the side and branded as trouble makers and generally discredited; and who listens to discredited former memebrs......
It really is pretty easy for peole like him to rise realatively un-apposed in an organization like CAP
mk
I actually met him once at a Wing conference banquet, for about 30 seconds. l had a latrine call that was far more urgent so I just said, "good to talk to you, Sir," and was on my way.
I was out of CAP when all the fit hit the shan about him, so I could observe it with a bit of semi-detachment.
It is unfortunately all too easy within the GOBN for someone like him to have the rails to power greased. Even more unfortunately, it could happen again.
I never quite understood the "HWSNBN" shtick here on CT, unless it is to avoid being libellous.
Unfortunately, the one GOOD thing he came up with, the CSU, he went entirely the wrong way about introducing it, and now we don't have it any more, nor are the NUC likely to propose any changes to the status quo thanks to that.
All in all, I can think of a lot more notable personages I have met that I will remember more fondly than the erstwhile Generalissimo...Marina Sirtis of Star Trek: The Next Generation being foremost. :P
(http://chockblock.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/marina_si16.jpg)
did he have his body guards with him?
Quote from: CyBorg on August 30, 2014, 03:53:26 PM
I never quite understood the "HWSNBN" shtick here on CT
discommendation-ds9.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYJmFOxNew0#)
^^Now THAT I understand! 8)
Wasn't aware that they filmed the meeting of the BOG when that went down :)
Quote from: CyBorg on August 30, 2014, 03:53:26 PM
Unfortunately, the one GOOD thing he came up with, the CSU, he went entirely the wrong way about introducing it, and now we don't have it any more, nor are the NUC likely to propose any changes to the status quo thanks to that.
Cyborg, how do you really feel about the CSU? >:D
I met him, too, at a NER Conference. Not really impressed.
What always amazed me about this sad chapter in our history was how this certain former national commander went on afterward to form the U.S. Ranger Corps and give himself a third star.
Not sure if that group even exists any more.
Guess I wish that we as an organization or membership can get beyond this series of incidents. What a learning experience. Every day from that period forward is a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Storm Chaser on September 02, 2014, 09:18:05 PM
Cyborg, how do you really feel about the CSU? >:D
Direct inverse proportion to how I feel about the current "corporate" kit...actually, my feelings are stronger about the way it was taken from us, when it was (generally) quite popular.
Quote from: CyBorg on August 30, 2014, 03:53:26 PM
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All in all, I can think of a lot more notable personages I have met that I will remember more fondly than the erstwhile Generalissimo...Marina Sirtis of Star Trek: The Next Generation being foremost. :P
(http://chockblock.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/marina_si16.jpg)
Hey, you found a picture of Troy NOT wearing her Corporate uniform! :)
OTOH, for me it was Gates McFadden (Dr Crusher) at a ST convention. Sorry for derailing the thread.
Well ... I too have met the delectable Ms. Sirtis, and even had my picture taken with her. (I'd post it here but the expression on my face is rather goofy...as yours might be if you were in the vicinity of such loveliness). Met her at one of the old Magnum Opus Cons that were held in Columbus, Ga., back in the mid 80s. At the same con I met Yvonne Craig ... Batgirl, that is.
Jack
Quote from: flyboy1 on September 02, 2014, 10:57:01 PM
What always amazed me about this sad chapter in our history was how this certain former national commander went on afterward to form the U.S. Ranger Corps and give himself a third star. Not sure if that group even exists any more.
It is still shown as an active corporation (http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail/EntityName/domnp-n08000000158-410b4d81-e746-4bf4-8272-8a74db4c4471/us%20ranger%20corps/Page1) on the Florida Division of Corporations web page.
The original web site appears to be gone from the web.
Looks like some time in the last year or so it went dead and got snapped up by another company
which itself is not offline. Internet Archive still has a snapshot from May 2013.
You can still find some hits on it from your favourite search engine (I use Bing), but that's about it.
QuoteU.S. Ranger Corps, Inc
1101 Nw 114th Ave
Plantation, FL 33323
Other Information
Entity Status: Active
Type of Entity: Non Profit Corporation
Entity Creation Date: Jan 07, 2008
Days in Business: 2432 days
Company Description
U.s. Ranger Corps, Inc is located in Plantation, Florida and is listed as an active Non Profit Corporation. U.s. Ranger Corps, Inc was started on Jan 07, 2008 which was 2432 days ago.
Employees
Antonio J Pineda: President
Rosemarie Pineda: Vice President
Registered Agent
Antonio J Pineda
Plantation, FL 33323
Quote from: shuman14 on September 04, 2014, 02:44:18 PM
QuoteU.S. Ranger Corps, Inc
1101 Nw 114th Ave
Plantation, FL 33323
Other Information
Entity Status: Active
Type of Entity: Non Profit Corporation
Entity Creation Date: Jan 07, 2008
Days in Business: 2432 days
Company Description
U.s. Ranger Corps, Inc is located in Plantation, Florida and is listed as an active Non Profit Corporation. U.s. Ranger Corps, Inc was started on Jan 07, 2008 which was 2432 days ago.
Employees
Antonio J Pineda: President
Rosemarie Pineda: Vice President
Registered Agent
Antonio J Pineda
Plantation, FL 33323
Rosemarie Pineda, Vice President ... hmm. Wonder how many stars she gets?
Jack
Don't know, but my wife always outranks me!. 8)
Quote from: Eclipse on August 28, 2014, 06:07:34 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on August 28, 2014, 06:03:08 PM
I Just wonder how could such a bad thing happen in CAP. I mean "Fat Tony" is still proclaiming his innocence, but he couldnt receive what he dished out. But I Digress....
His situation should have been addressed before he ever got his first eagle, but as I've whined about a lot lately,
when the leadership feels compelled or at least empowered to look the other way when things which are obviously an issue
are brought to their attention, people move from empowered to emboldened. In those situations, "good actors" tend
to flourish, and "bad actors" can get themselves hip deep in trouble before anyone takes action (or even notice).
Hindsight is also 20/20, but with that said his tenure are a "leader" both at the Wing and Region level
was tinged with complaints and questionable decisions for years before he ascended to a star.
Wish i still had my digital copy of "Broken Propeller". Pretty much outlined this guy's transgressions.
We need to nominate as founder of NOTF, too.