I'm trying to get my senior rating in personnel but I realize the test is extremely longer than normal CAP tests and it isn't online like other tests. The test is in the personnel pamphlet and it is from 1997. The most recent personnel regulation is from 2001 I believe. So the test is obviously outdated. Am I missing something? What do I do?
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 04:30:59 PM
I'm trying to get my senior rating in personnel but I realize the test is extremely longer than normal CAP tests and it isn't online like other tests. The test is in the personnel pamphlet and it is from 1997. The most recent personnel regulation is from 2001 I believe. So the test is obviously outdated. Am I missing something? What do I do?
Allegedly, there will be a new automated test out this year. Otherwise, you can take the test, giving the correct (up to date) answers, just make sure you provide references to where your answers are and that whoever is grading it is aware. Before you do anything, I would check up my chain of command to see what would be acceptable.
Ugh. I feared that was the answer. I do not believe in doing unnecessary work. Thank you!
You'll need a testing officer to conduct the test. Not sure of the reg that states that but right now I'm too lazy to look it up.
At the time I was wing personnel officer I was also wing testing officer so that made it a bit of a challenge for me getting my senior rating. The solution? I went to my former squadron; had the testing officer test me and voila - problem solved.
If the regulation doesn't specify whether or not a testing officer is required, can I take it without a testing officer? This whole time I just assumed I needed a testing officer. Which is fine but ours hates me lol. This test and the answers are provided in the specialty track pamphlet.
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 04:39:39 PM
If the regulation doesn't specify whether or not a testing officer is required, can I take it without a testing officer? This whole time I just assumed I needed a testing officer. Which is fine but ours hates me lol. This test and the answers are provided in the specialty track pamphlet.
Its why I would check with my chain of command, in all the Wings that I have been in it was taken as a closed book exam, which you need to get IIRC at least a 90 on.
IIRC? Sorry I'm slow lol. Id love to take this test online and blind side everyone. I can't stand our current leadership and really don't want them in my business. I'm transferring squadrons in a few months so I'm trying to get my stuff squared away. I'm seriously considering just memorizing the old regs so that I can just take and pass the test. If I bring this to the Chain of Command they will have to "check on it" and they will put me off for months.
I would argue that it does not require a testing officer, especially since the answers for the test begin on page A5-6 of the same pamphlet. Additionally, I've only come across one other test in CAP where I needed to actually write out answers (instead of using the CAPF 23), and that was the essay portion of my Spaatz Exam, which is a completely different animal.
"Ask your unit commander or unit testing officer to administer the questions at the end of this section as a closed book examination."
Crap.
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 05:12:24 PM
"Ask your unit commander or unit testing officer to administer the questions at the end of this section as a closed book examination."
Crap.
You are testing for the senior level in the rating and just finding this out? Might want to study some more before you sit for the eval.
Awww and we have a lovely example of CAP members at their finest now! Thanks so much!
If you go back and re-read the entire thread here, someone mentioned that it didn't look like I needed a testing officer. I was kindly citing the regulations in reply to that. But thank you for showing us how supportive CAP members are THRAWN. :)
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
Awww and we have a lovely example of CAP members at their finest now! Thanks so much!
If you go back and re-read the entire thread here, someone mentioned that it didn't look like I needed a testing officer. I was kindly citing the regulations in reply to that. But thank you for showing us how supportive CAP members are THRAWN. :)
I'm being perfectly supportive. You should study the manual a bit more before you sit for the eval. Then you will know the answers to questions like this, and you will be in a better position to pass. I could grok if it was a manual that you're not familiar with, but you're testing for the senior rating, which means that you have more than a half-hour of exposure to the material. Furthermore, as an officer, you should know that you should consult your chain before posting questions like this, no matter how much you "can't stand" them.
So, you're saying you can only post questions on CAPTALK after you've consulted your chain of command. HA! Delaware must have NICE Squadrons.
My initial question was what do I do because the test is outdated. That question isn't found in the regulations. So your comment "You should study the manual a bit more before you sit for the eval. Then you will know the answer to questions like this...." is kind of irrelevant. Considering the answer to my question isn't found in the manuals!
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on July 22, 2014, 05:05:22 PM
I would argue that it does not require a testing office
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 05:12:24 PM
"Ask your unit commander or unit testing officer to administer the questions at the end of this section as a closed book examination."
You got it - CAPP200 Page 9 Paragraph 3a.
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 05:36:57 PM
So, you're saying you can only post questions on CAPTALK after you've consulted your chain of command. HA! Delaware must have NICE Squadrons.
Not at all, but sometimes we get people whose questions could have been answered locally. Mostly from cadets who are too lazy to check with their chain o' command (and that is NOT the chain you get beat with until you realize who is in command).
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My initial question was what do I do because the test is outdated. That question isn't found in the regulations. So your comment "You should study the manual a bit more before you sit for the eval. Then you will know the answer to questions like this...." is kind of irrelevant. Considering the answer to my question isn't found in the manuals!
Valid.
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 05:36:57 PM
So, you're saying you can only post questions on CAPTALK after you've consulted your chain of command. HA! Delaware must have NICE Squadrons.
My initial question was what do I do because the test is outdated. That question isn't found in the regulations. So your comment "You should study the manual a bit more before you sit for the eval. Then you will know the answer to questions like this...." is kind of irrelevant. Considering the answer to my question isn't found in the manuals!
Nope, but they need to be your first stop.
The test is not outdated. The references are still valid. Read the book, and the references.
Quote from: THRAWN on July 22, 2014, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 05:36:57 PM
So, you're saying you can only post questions on CAPTALK after you've consulted your chain of command. HA! Delaware must have NICE Squadrons.
My initial question was what do I do because the test is outdated. That question isn't found in the regulations. So your comment "You should study the manual a bit more before you sit for the eval. Then you will know the answer to questions like this...." is kind of irrelevant. Considering the answer to my question isn't found in the manuals!
Nope, but they need to be your first stop.
The test is not outdated. The references are still valid. Read the book, and the references.
Actually THRAWN some of the questions refer to regulations that have been superseded by new regulations (including a different number). It's a known problem as I called down to NHQ before I took my test to see if they had reissued it and they were aware of the problem and working toward a new pamphlet (and appropriate tests) for Personnel.
And just for the record. Commander just replied to my email and said exactly what I said he would "let me research this and get back to you". So that means it will never get researched and if I bring it up and start pushing, I start losing positions.
Quote from: THRAWN on July 22, 2014, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 05:36:57 PM
So, you're saying you can only post questions on CAPTALK after you've consulted your chain of command. HA! Delaware must have NICE Squadrons.
My initial question was what do I do because the test is outdated. That question isn't found in the regulations. So your comment "You should study the manual a bit more before you sit for the eval. Then you will know the answer to questions like this...." is kind of irrelevant. Considering the answer to my question isn't found in the manuals!
Nope, but they need to be your first stop.
The test is not outdated. The references are still valid. Read the book, and the references.
Strongly disagree. The current correct answers differ significantly in several cases from the answers listed in the answer key. The references also differ in a couple of cases. Trying to find, and use, outdated reference material seems counterproductive. We need to be learning and reinforcing the current regs, not outdated material.
I took my test right in the middle of the governance change. What a clusterfex.
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 07:26:36 PM
And just for the record. Commander just replied to my email and said exactly what I said he would "let me research this and get back to you". So that means it will never get researched and if I bring it up and start pushing, I start losing positions.
If THAT happens, then it's a failure on his part. Commander being vengeful due to squeaky wheel. Bad, bad commander. If you DON'T squeak, you get passed by more than you would if you yelled. Sometimes, they need to be pushed.
Quote from: capchick121 on July 22, 2014, 07:26:36 PM
And just for the record. Commander just replied to my email and said exactly what I said he would "let me research this and get back to you". So that means it will never get researched and if I bring it up and start pushing, I start losing positions.
Assuming that is true, you're stuck until you move to a new squadron, anyway, since the only person who can approve the Personnel rating is
your Commander or his designate, so if he's not interested in helping you with taking the test, he's not likely interested approving the rating.
When I took the test last year, we had the PD/TO administrator an oral version of the test that would cover current information.
All of this is now a moot point, personnel track has been updated. http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P200_33E2D0B74B97F.pdf (http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P200_33E2D0B74B97F.pdf) Additionally, there are a tech, senior and master rating test in LMS. Have fun!
Done -
T = 90%
S = 95%
M = 80%
More then a few typos, grammatical errors, and a few questions which could probably have two correct answers but only allow for one.
Sorry...I don't mean to turn this into a uniform thread but a line in the new Personnel Pamphlet.
QuoteList three places members may acquire CAP uniform items and insignia
Vanguard, Vanguard, Vanguard. Too easy.
What about AAFES/MCSS and military surplus stores? Not to mention all the vendors that carry BDUs and corporate uniform items.
Vanguard, MCSS, and Free Cadet Uniform Program
Which other vendors carry CAP corporate items? It has been stated and re-stated in this forum that only Vanguard can sell CAP insignias... and uniform items...
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on July 26, 2014, 04:25:36 PM
Which other vendors carry CAP corporate items? It has been stated and re-stated in this forum that only Vanguard can sell CAP insignias... and uniform items...
You said it, "CAP insignias". Last I checked, the white aviator shirt, gray pants, blazer, etc. ARE part of the uniform and are carried by many vendors. The same goes for the BBDU.
Sorry misread it.
You wrote correctly "Corporate uniform..."
No problem. It happens to all of us.