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Operations => Aviation & Flying Activities => Topic started by: Flying Pig on January 19, 2014, 11:45:04 PM

Title: FIRE!
Post by: Flying Pig on January 19, 2014, 11:45:04 PM
Totally not CAP related...... but I did my first fire today as a Huey driver.  It was everything I thought it would be and more  >:D  It was small.  60 acres in low fuel with some intermixed pine trees and a couple residences.  Mostly worked the perimeter and a couple smoldering piles.   Cant think of a better way to blow 800lbs of Jet A out the tail pipe!
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: JeffDG on January 20, 2014, 12:01:48 AM
Would've made a better story if you dumped the Jet-A on the fire....just sayin'. >:D
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Huey Driver on January 20, 2014, 02:47:26 AM
Pics or it didn't happen? Any pictures?  :D
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Flying Pig on January 20, 2014, 05:33:14 AM
Well, both hands were a little busy...... But maybe one of the slacker fireman got a shot of me workin
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: bosshawk on January 20, 2014, 07:03:19 AM
FLYING PIG is no longer and appropriate nickname for you.  Come up with another one or stop flying fires.
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on January 20, 2014, 01:38:33 PM
Maybe we should call you Roasted Pig? Or Chicharron???

;D

Congrats on a nice safe job!

:clap:

Flyer
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Flying Pig on January 20, 2014, 07:16:38 PM
Quote from: bosshawk on January 20, 2014, 07:03:19 AM
FLYING PIG is no longer and appropriate nickname for you.  Come up with another one or stop flying fires.

But the tail boom and the patch on my uniform still say "SHERIFF".  Oh..... Decisions decisions.
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: NIN on January 20, 2014, 07:18:31 PM
Tasty Bacon.
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: a2capt on January 20, 2014, 07:19:34 PM
Yeah, but did you notice that 'FIRE' is in there backwards?
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Flying Pig on January 20, 2014, 07:29:05 PM
Interesting.... Fireman are a backwards bunch
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: bosshawk on January 21, 2014, 05:46:25 AM
NIN; I like your shot at the revised nickname.  My good friend FP may have something to say about it.
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Flying Pig on January 25, 2014, 05:31:28 AM
Quote from: JerseyCadet on January 20, 2014, 02:47:26 AM
Pics or it didn't happen? Any pictures?  :D



http://wbbh.videodownload.worldnow.com/WBBH_20140121233110637AA.mp4 (http://wbbh.videodownload.worldnow.com/WBBH_20140121233110637AA.mp4)
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: a2capt on January 25, 2014, 05:43:56 AM
So, were there more files? "12 since Friday, expecting more", it said.

So weird seeing that scrub in a place that I associate with rampant growth. Though I'd never spent much time on the west coast of FL.
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Flying Pig on January 25, 2014, 05:48:39 AM
We have had a lot of fires, but only two that called for the helicopter.  Its pretty wooded here.  The vegetation dries out quick.  I think its because the soil has such a high sand content.  As soon as it stops raining, the ground is dry pretty quick.    The Gulf side of FL is still pretty rural in a lot of areas.  Its not at all what I pictured before I moved here. 
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on January 26, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
How much damage can a water bomber cause discharging water on a moving vehicle? I know it could throw a vehicle out of control, but if a driver does maintain control after being hit by that water, how much damage would ensue? Breaking glass and mirrors?

A former member once told me she was driving a Red Cross mobile canteen by a burning grass fire when there were a series of bad grass fires in Long Island sometime in the 1980s. All of a sudden she sees a water bomber on final and she worried about getting hit by some of that water but managed to get away before the water bomber discharged.

Flyer
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Eclipse on January 26, 2014, 04:40:01 PM
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/577/brvj.jpg)

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/641x356q90/836/k5qe.jpg)
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: vento on January 26, 2014, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: flyer333555 on January 26, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
How much damage can a water bomber cause discharging water on a moving vehicle? I know it could throw a vehicle out of control, but if a driver does maintain control after being hit by that water, how much damage would ensue? Breaking glass and mirrors?

A former member once told me she was driving a Red Cross mobile canteen by a burning grass fire when there were a series of bad grass fires in Long Island sometime in the 1980s. All of a sudden she sees a water bomber on final and she worried about getting hit by some of that water but managed to get away before the water bomber discharged.

Flyer

Perhaps not as bad as the vehicle shown in this video, but I'd venture to guess it will be bad enough if it was a direct hit.
Water crushes car. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM9FeEgI0Eo#)
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: arajca on January 26, 2014, 06:21:05 PM
Quote from: flyer333555 on January 26, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
How much damage can a water bomber cause discharging water on a moving vehicle? I know it could throw a vehicle out of control, but if a driver does maintain control after being hit by that water, how much damage would ensue? Breaking glass and mirrors?

A former member once told me she was driving a Red Cross mobile canteen by a burning grass fire when there were a series of bad grass fires in Long Island sometime in the 1980s. All of a sudden she sees a water bomber on final and she worried about getting hit by some of that water but managed to get away before the water bomber discharged.

Flyer
Like all things, it depends on the size. A SEAT (Single Engine Aerial Tanker) drop 100-200 gallons. A Large Aerial Tanker  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_747_Supertanker) can drop over 20,000 gallons. Definitely gonna loose mirrors and anything else hanging off the vehicle. Probably lose glass. Wrong place, wrong time? Total vehicle destruction.
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Flying Pig on January 26, 2014, 11:26:27 PM
We have a 324 gallon bucket so that's 2600 lbs.  If you were hovering and dropped it I imagine it could do some damage.  I've never seen that happen.  During this fire we dropped two loads on two bulldozer who were knocking down trees that were flaring up.  But they are fully enclosed with AC so they don't care.  If you are on foot and see it coming you better get out of the way or hit the dirt and cover your head.   Depending on speed and altitude it can be heavily concentrated or nothing more than a mist.  We try to keep the bucket just above the tree tops.
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Jaison009 on January 27, 2014, 08:47:59 AM
SEAT in action
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151141501080070&l=3583385752534489440 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151141501080070&l=3583385752534489440)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151141494410070&l=1062297428250524572 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151141494410070&l=1062297428250524572)

SEAT not in action (my first significant response as a Disaster Manager with the American Red Cross in my AO)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150270195221092&set=pb.95956286091.-2207520000.1390812248.&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150270195221092&set=pb.95956286091.-2207520000.1390812248.&type=3&theater)

Quote from: arajca on January 26, 2014, 06:21:05 PM
Quote from: flyer333555 on January 26, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
How much damage can a water bomber cause discharging water on a moving vehicle? I know it could throw a vehicle out of control, but if a driver does maintain control after being hit by that water, how much damage would ensue? Breaking glass and mirrors?

A former member once told me she was driving a Red Cross mobile canteen by a burning grass fire when there were a series of bad grass fires in Long Island sometime in the 1980s. All of a sudden she sees a water bomber on final and she worried about getting hit by some of that water but managed to get away before the water bomber discharged.

Flyer
Like all things, it depends on the size. A SEAT (Single Engine Aerial Tanker) drop 100-200 gallons. A Large Aerial Tanker  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_747_Supertanker) can drop over 20,000 gallons. Definitely gonna loose mirrors and anything else hanging off the vehicle. Probably lose glass. Wrong place, wrong time? Total vehicle destruction.
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Flying Pig on January 27, 2014, 07:47:53 PM
I wouldn't mind an air tractor but the turn around time where I am  makes it impractical.   I've seen the ones with floats...... But not interested in loading up with salt water from the gulf!
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Eclipse on January 27, 2014, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: Flying Pig on January 27, 2014, 07:47:53 PMBut not interested in loading up with salt water from the gulf!

Isn't water from the Gulf actually an accelerant?
Title: Re: FIRE!
Post by: Flying Pig on January 27, 2014, 11:23:28 PM
Shhhhhh. You are gonna screw up all my overtime!