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Operations => Emergency Services & Operations => Topic started by: RogueLeader on November 02, 2013, 04:33:09 AM

Title: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: RogueLeader on November 02, 2013, 04:33:09 AM
I was just re-reading CAPR 60-3 and section 1-10 d reads:
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d. Only qualified CAP members, qualified members of other agencies with which CAP has an approved memorandum of understanding, and CAP mission trainees under the supervision of a qualified person may participate in CAP operational missions. There will be at a minimum a 1-to-3 ratio of supervisors to trainees when trainees are utilized.
Emphasis mine.

Shouldn't that read as maximum, and not minimum?  Span of control should be even more narrow when you are either evaluation them or using them on an actual mission to ensure safety.  Otherwise find those couple extra trainees can make it hard to deploy if you only have one trainee.
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: SarDragon on November 02, 2013, 04:59:16 AM
No, because the big number is on the right. You can have more sup's, but not fewer.
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: RogueLeader on November 02, 2013, 05:14:34 AM
D'oh. I totally read that backwards and that you had to have at least three trainees. I'm going to bed.
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: MacGruff on November 02, 2013, 11:44:27 PM
Funny.

I read that as one supervisor to three trainees...     :-\
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: RogueLeader on November 03, 2013, 12:30:39 AM
Quote from: MacGruff on November 02, 2013, 11:44:27 PM
Funny.

I read that as one supervisor to three trainees...     :-\

I agree. I was tired and misread it.
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: PHall on November 03, 2013, 01:01:32 AM
Quote from: MacGruff on November 02, 2013, 11:44:27 PM
Funny.

I read that as one supervisor to three trainees...     :-\

Though some trainees may require three supervisors. >:D
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: RiverAux on November 03, 2013, 01:03:25 AM
I would have written it, "No more than three trainees may be assigned to a supervisor when trainees are utilized"
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: Eclipse on November 03, 2013, 01:03:54 AM
Quote from: PHall on November 03, 2013, 01:01:32 AM
Though some trainees may require three supervisors. >:D

Seriously.

It's pretty amazing how many supposedly experienced members have no knowledge of that requirement.
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: JeffDG on November 04, 2013, 12:59:02 PM
Remember, this is on operational missions, not training.

Often a good supervisor can handle more people in a properly structured training environment, but when you're doing it for real, you don't have as much time to stop and explain stuff as it's happening, hence the cap.

Remember, a MS* or GTM* CAN be deployed on an "ACTUAL" (A1) mission, and this regulation simply specifies that they must be properly supervised and sets some limits on use of trainees.
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: Private Investigator on November 05, 2013, 04:28:23 AM
So with a MS* would I need three supervisors? I might have a weight and balance issue then   :-\
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: Garibaldi on November 05, 2013, 04:31:19 AM
Always four there are. A master, and and apprentice, and an apprentice, and an apprentice.
Title: Re: Trainee suprevison question
Post by: RogueLeader on November 05, 2013, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Private Investigator on November 05, 2013, 04:28:23 AM
So with a MS* would I need three supervisors? I might have a weight and balance issue then   :-\

No, you just need a bigger plane.   :P