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Title: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: isaac.eck on May 15, 2013, 08:20:40 PM
Hi guys, Im 17 and am working on enlisting in the Army. I will not be graduating high school till next year however, so I will be entering the Future Soldier Program. Heres my problem, I was really Hoping to get the grade boost the Civil Air Patrol gets you, but you have to be a 2nd Lt. to get it. I am currently only a C/SSgt and don't know if I will be able to achieve 2nd Lt. in time. I know that C.A.P. allows you to promote every month instead of the standard 2 if your in JROTC. I have, however, heard that you can do the same thing if you are in the Future Soldier Program. I heard this from another cadet who was unsure if it was true, so I did some research and could find nothing to either confirm on discredit this. So can anyone here tell me if this is true? Thanks guys.

C/SSgt Eckman

Mustang Squadron
GLR-MI-271
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: lordmonar on May 15, 2013, 08:50:23 PM
Is the Future Solder Program....just a fancy name for delayed enlistment?

As for advanced promotions.....NO....the only program that gets you accelerated promotions is JROTC (any service) and you have to have 2 year completed.

As for getting the rank bump for Mitchell....talk with the recruiter.....I don't know the rules....but if you go into delayed enlistment....any rank bumps may not be applied until you actual go to basic.

Also another question:  If you have a whole year left in school.....why the rush to go delayed entry?   It is not like the Army is going away anytime soon.

As a C/SSgt...if you apply yourself you can get your Mitchel done by this time next year.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Storm Chaser on May 15, 2013, 09:04:11 PM
Quote from: isaac.eck on May 15, 2013, 08:20:40 PM
I have, however, heard that you can do the same thing if you are in the Future Soldier Program. I heard this from another cadet who was unsure if it was true, so I did some research and could find nothing to either confirm on discredit this. So can anyone here tell me if this is true? Thanks guys.

No, delayed enlistment does not provide you the opportunity to promote faster.

Quote from: CAPR 52-16, 21 Dec 2012
Cadets may complete Achievement 1 any time after joining CAP... All other achievements require a minimum separation of 8 weeks (56 days) between each achievement and milestone award (except as noted for JROTC in chapter 10)... Cadets who possess 2 or more years of JROTC experience may qualify for accelerated promotions in CAP.

There are no references to delayed enlistment or Future Soldiers Program in CAPR 52-16, which prescribes the requirements for promotions.

*** Edited to add the 's' to Soldiers ***
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Eclipse on May 15, 2013, 09:36:11 PM
Future Soldier is the multi national advanced warfighter information development program.

Future Soldiers (with and "s") is the new term for DEP.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: a2capt on May 15, 2013, 09:50:40 PM
My understanding based on experience with previous cadets, including one that just reported to the recruiter for the Navy a couple weeks ago, was the Mitchell needed to be in hand by the day he reported.

Apply yourself, knock it out. You can do it.

..and I have rolls of solder and PCB's stacked up on the desk.. assembling hard drive cards for Apple II computers. Last place I expected to see a roll of solder .. on CAPTalk. ;)
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: OldGuard on May 15, 2013, 09:54:08 PM
When I was an Army recruiter about six years ago..... The DEP could receive a promotion up to PFC for enlistments that they recruited.  If I remember correctly it was three enlistments for every promotion.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: capchiro on May 15, 2013, 09:59:37 PM
IIRC, doesn't the Army only give E-2 for Mitchell, while the Air Force gives E-3??  Go Air Force... You can either play in the dirt and live in tents or live in nice rooms and go to the Club...  Some choice???
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: 68w20 on May 15, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Quote from: capchiro on May 15, 2013, 09:59:37 PM
IIRC, doesn't the Army only give E-2 for Mitchell, while the Air Force gives E-3??  Go Air Force... You can either play in the dirt and live in tents or live in nice rooms and go to the Club...  Some choice???

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17291.msg312035#msg312035 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17291.msg312035#msg312035)

Please see my post about 2/3s of the way down.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: isaac.eck on May 15, 2013, 10:43:57 PM
Ok, Thanks for the fast responses guys. Guess ill go take my PT test for my C/TSgt now!  :)
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on May 15, 2013, 11:00:09 PM
FSP has its own way to get E2 as well.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: VPI18 on May 16, 2013, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: 68w10 on May 15, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Quote from: capchiro on May 15, 2013, 09:59:37 PM
IIRC, doesn't the Army only give E-2 for Mitchell, while the Air Force gives E-3??  Go Air Force... You can either play in the dirt and live in tents or live in nice rooms and go to the Club...  Some choice???

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17291.msg312035#msg312035 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17291.msg312035#msg312035)

Please see my post about 2/3s of the way down.

The linked post is no longer true as of the 1 February 2013 revision to AR 601-210. "Stacking" is no longer referenced and even 3 years of JROTC will only allow E-2 now.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Devil Doc on May 16, 2013, 12:10:45 PM
If your in JROTC, Why worry about the Mitchell? If you do three years of JROTC you get E-3 or atleast I did. The only branch you do not get E-3 from JROTC is the Marines, which make you an E-2. Just rememeber that is your rank, after you graduate bootcamp untill then your just there little maggot, lol.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: FlyTiger77 on May 16, 2013, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on May 16, 2013, 12:10:45 PM
... If you do three years of JROTC you get E-3...

That is no longer true. As Wilhelm147 stated in the post above yours, AR 601-210 paragraph 2-18 now entitles individuals with two or more years of JROTC to enlist in the Army (both AC & RC) as a PV2 (E2). The same paragraph entitles Mitchell recipients to PV2 (E2) as well.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Devil Doc on May 16, 2013, 03:47:32 PM
Well butter my Butt and Call me a Biscut :) That sucks :(
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: johnnyb47 on May 16, 2013, 04:28:50 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on May 16, 2013, 03:47:32 PM
Well butter my Butt and Call me a Biscut :) That sucks :(
No thanks, Biscut. I'm lactose intolerant.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Critical AOA on May 16, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
After basic training any E-1 who had no prior ROTC or CAP experience will be able to march, salute, shoot, etc. as good as those who have this experience.  It gains you nothing past the first two or three weeks.   There is no benefit to the Army or any service to award rank based on these activities.   
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Garibaldi on May 16, 2013, 11:04:59 PM
Quote from: David Vandenbroeck on May 16, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
After basic training any E-1 who had no prior ROTC or CAP experience will be able to march, salute, shoot, etc. as good as those who have this experience.  It gains you nothing past the first two or three weeks.   There is no benefit to the Army or any service to award rank based on these activities.   

just a pay bump. honestly, when I went in after 5 years as a non-Mitchell cadet, and having met a couple who did get their Mitchell, we were selected for special duties such as participating in two Change of Command ceremonies and winning the platoon drill-downs. We just had a slight edge over those who came in off the street, so to speak. Of course, I was a little too high-speed and kept showing up the rest of the platoon, earning the stink eye from the platoon sergeant and most of the rest of the guys...field stripping an M-16 (not something I learned in CAP, mind) before the DI could give the instructions really sealed my fate.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Peeka on May 16, 2013, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: David Vandenbroeck on May 16, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
There is no benefit to the Army or any service to award rank based on these activities.   
What about the ability to learn and stick with something voluntarily for two years?
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: SarDragon on May 16, 2013, 11:21:00 PM
Unless things have changed recently, advanced rank on entry gets paid as such from day one, but you get no other recognition for the advanced rank until graduation.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: cap235629 on May 17, 2013, 03:20:08 AM
The Army also used to award PFC to Eagle Scouts. Not anymore, E-2.

Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on May 17, 2013, 04:05:18 AM
2007, Army needed medics. Earhart still got me E2.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: lordmonar on May 17, 2013, 05:42:18 AM
Quote from: Peeka on May 16, 2013, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: David Vandenbroeck on May 16, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
There is no benefit to the Army or any service to award rank based on these activities.   
What about the ability to learn and stick with something voluntarily for two years?
Just another recruiting tool....it is not like they really care.  The USAF used to offer advanced rank just for signing up for six years.
Eagle Scouts, Mitchells, JROTC Grads, people with college credit.....they are all good people....and the bone they throw them does not really cost the military all that much.

Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Flying Pig on May 17, 2013, 02:56:32 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on May 17, 2013, 05:42:18 AM
Quote from: Peeka on May 16, 2013, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: David Vandenbroeck on May 16, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
There is no benefit to the Army or any service to award rank based on these activities.   
What about the ability to learn and stick with something voluntarily for two years?
Just another recruiting tool....it is not like they really care.  The USAF used to offer advanced rank just for signing up for six years.
Eagle Scouts, Mitchells, JROTC Grads, people with college credit.....they are all good people....and the bone they throw them does not really cost the military all that much.

Yeah, considering its an automatic promo anyway.  Not much difference in the world of an E-1 and an E-2.  E2 takes the trash bag out of the trash can and makes the E1 walk it to the dumpster. 

Not sure of other services, but in the Marines, there is a definite separation of ranks.  If you are in a group of E1's and have PFC stripes on, you better be taking charge of the nasty E1s like a platoon Sgt.   As an E3/LCpl, you are an "NCO in training" and Lord help you if you ever get caught by an NCO letting Pvts and PFC slime around and not take charge.  If you are all the same rank, the senior guy is responsible for EVERYTHING even if he is senior by 1 day. 
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: OldGuard on May 19, 2013, 06:31:39 PM
The people I knew in the military and were previous CAP cadets excelled far beyond their peers. Some leadership training that cadets receive in CAWG was better than Army courses that I attended.
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: Flying Pig on May 19, 2013, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: OldGuard on May 19, 2013, 06:31:39 PM
The people I knew in the military and were previous CAP cadets excelled far beyond their peers. Some leadership training that cadets receive in CAWG was better than Army courses that I attended.

You are clearly referring to that Marine who used to come up to Ft Myer on the weekends and school those Army nasties! >:D
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: lordmonar on May 19, 2013, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Flying Pig on May 17, 2013, 02:56:32 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on May 17, 2013, 05:42:18 AM
Quote from: Peeka on May 16, 2013, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: David Vandenbroeck on May 16, 2013, 10:58:52 PM
There is no benefit to the Army or any service to award rank based on these activities.   
What about the ability to learn and stick with something voluntarily for two years?
Just another recruiting tool....it is not like they really care.  The USAF used to offer advanced rank just for signing up for six years.
Eagle Scouts, Mitchells, JROTC Grads, people with college credit.....they are all good people....and the bone they throw them does not really cost the military all that much.

Yeah, considering its an automatic promo anyway.  Not much difference in the world of an E-1 and an E-2.  E2 takes the trash bag out of the trash can and makes the E1 walk it to the dumpster. 

Not sure of other services, but in the Marines, there is a definite separation of ranks.  If you are in a group of E1's and have PFC stripes on, you better be taking charge of the nasty E1s like a platoon Sgt.   As an E3/LCpl, you are an "NCO in training" and Lord help you if you ever get caught by an NCO letting Pvts and PFC slime around and not take charge.  If you are all the same rank, the senior guy is responsible for EVERYTHING even if he is senior by 1 day.
Not even that much separation in the USAF.  In basic and tech school....unless you are a rope/dorm chief/ element leader you are a PINGER just like everyone else....and once you get to your first duty station...until you get your 5 level and put on SrA you are pretty much a peon no matter what rank you wear.

Nothing funnier then a bunch of Amns and A1Cs arguing about who out ranks who!
Title: Re: Future Soldier Program?
Post by: bosshawk on May 20, 2013, 03:27:20 AM
Sort of like a group of Army doctors(all Captains) who had to resort to comparing serial numbers to determine which job they got around the operating table when a poor GI came down with appendicitis and had to have surgery on the troop ship going to VN.