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Title: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: horseraider12 on April 19, 2013, 02:30:13 AM
Hello, this summer I may be attending Army Basic Combat Training. I may be joining the National Guard within a few days.  I have yet to attend a Civil Air Patrol basic encampment, and I really want to become a cadet officer, but the National Guard is for my career... so will CAP take the Army BCT over the cadet encampment? Waiver if possible? Thoughts? :clap:
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: LGM30GMCC on April 19, 2013, 02:38:06 AM
Short answer: No. It will not.

No waiver possible unless CAP/CC waived it. Which is unlikely.

Enjoy Army Basic. Chances are you may not be able to attend encampment and become a cadet officer. Don't worry about that too terribly much. Depending on the time scale, if you still really want to stay in CAP you might consider going the flight officer (senior side) route.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Eclipse on April 19, 2013, 02:59:59 AM
Neither is like the other, and frankly after BCT, CAP in general is likely to seem pretty "turned-down".

The regs is the regs, but a lot of people in CAP feel that once a cadet goes to BCT, he's not really a cadet anymore in the way that CAP recognizes, and
should just be converted to Senior Member.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: a2capt on April 19, 2013, 03:05:32 AM
Also, keep in mind that if you are declared AD, you are not a cadet anymore, and should convert your membership, too. There's no coming back.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: PHall on April 19, 2013, 03:32:29 AM
Quote from: a2capt on April 19, 2013, 03:05:32 AM
Also, keep in mind that if you are declared AD, you are not a cadet anymore, and should convert your membership, too. There's no coming back.


If you read his post he is joining the National Guard. And Initial Active Duty for Training does not count as "Active Duty" as far as CAP is concerned.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: a2capt on April 19, 2013, 03:33:54 AM
I read his post. Notice I said, "if", and none of the initial training counts.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: MSG Mac on April 19, 2013, 03:46:21 AM
Attend an earlier or later encampment and still attend BCT. There are also winter encampments in several wings. The Florida Gulf coast should be just right. 
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: wacapgh on April 19, 2013, 09:08:32 PM
Give some thought to getting your Mitchell first before signing up.

Instead of starting as an E-1, if your recruiter is eager to get you in you can enlist as a PFC/E-3.

It's a few dollars more each paycheck, but more importantly you will be accruing Time In Grade towards E-4 (minimum of 6 months as an E-3). Normally, you must have 24 Months Time In Service on top of that, but there are times when a local commander can waive up to 6 months from TIS if you are squared away. It worked for me -  made SP4/E-4 18 months after I enlisted  ;D.

What you learn at encampment will also apply to BCT - How to make a bunk, store your gear in a wall locker, how work as part of a Flight/Platoon, etc.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Stonewall on April 19, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
As a former cadet turned Army dude, I would suggest holding off on joining the Guard.  You're a high schooler, and you don't need to be a soldier TODAY.  You have 20 years before you're unqualified to join the Army due to age, but you have just a year or two before you become ineligible to earn the Mitchell.

I know you're excited and anxious to don a set of ACUs, but trust me, you won't regret holding off one more summer for BCT.  And don't let the recruiter or your unit persuade you either way.  This is YOUR decision.  You don't have to grow up and be a Soldier today.  You can be one tomorrow (i.e. next year).

Take it from me, the Army Poster Boy...

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Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: MIKE on April 19, 2013, 09:40:27 PM
Mitchell can get you PV2 (E-2) for the Army IIRC, not PFC.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Stonewall on April 19, 2013, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: MIKE on April 19, 2013, 09:40:27 PM
Mitchell can get you PV2 (E-2) for the Army IIRC, not PFC.

Correct, PV2.  However, the Guard often has different incentives.  A lot of times you don't need anything (Mitchell, etc.) to get PFC.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: cap235629 on April 20, 2013, 04:24:28 AM
Quote from: wacapgh on April 19, 2013, 09:08:32 PM
Give some thought to getting your Mitchell first before signing up.

Instead of starting as an E-1, if your recruiter is eager to get you in you can enlist as a PFC/E-3.


Only in the Air Force.  The regs for the other services mandate only E-2..... even if you are an Eagle Scout too....
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: J2H on April 20, 2013, 07:07:36 PM
I had E-2 upon enlisting due to College, then went to E-3 after graduating from Tech School (AF) after signing up for 6
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: 68w20 on April 30, 2013, 04:09:53 AM
Quote from: cap235629 on April 20, 2013, 04:24:28 AM
Quote from: wacapgh on April 19, 2013, 09:08:32 PM
Give some thought to getting your Mitchell first before signing up.

Instead of starting as an E-1, if your recruiter is eager to get you in you can enlist as a PFC/E-3.


Only in the Air Force.  The regs for the other services mandate only E-2..... even if you are an Eagle Scout too....

I picked up E-3 for Eagle Scout and GBMA, they were able to "stack" the awards and get me both promotions.  From what I've seen it depends entirely on the recruiter, and how willing the recruit is to make a big deal out of it.  And yes, do make a big deal out of it.  The pay difference between E-1 and E-3 is significant; but more importantly you're more likely to be considered for leadership positions in BCT/AIT, which can lead to consideration for Soldier of the Cycle (or whatever your training base calls it), which does have an effect on how your receiving unit will view you.  It gives you a massive leg up over traditional "walk-ins" that just got E-1, and all it takes is for you to politely and respectfully ask that they give you (in writing, in your contract) the advance promotion to which your achievements have entitled you.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: NIN on April 30, 2013, 10:35:58 AM
Quote from: 68w10 on April 30, 2013, 04:09:53 AM
I picked up E-3 for Eagle Scout and GBMA, they were able to "stack" the awards and get me both promotions.  From what I've seen it depends entirely on the recruiter, and how willing the recruit is to make a big deal out of it.  And yes, do make a big deal out of it.  The pay difference between E-1 and E-3 is significant; but more importantly you're more likely to be considered for leadership positions in BCT/AIT, which can lead to consideration for Soldier of the Cycle (or whatever your training base calls it), which does have an effect on how your receiving unit will view you.  It gives you a massive leg up over traditional "walk-ins" that just got E-1, and all it takes is for you to politely and respectfully ask that they give you (in writing, in your contract) the advance promotion to which your achievements have entitled you.

^^^ This.

E-2 for the Mitchell, squad leader & platoon guide, later Solider of the Cycle in BCT and then Distinguished Honor Grad from AIT.  I had E-3 in 8 months, pinned on E-4 at 13 months. :)
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 01:40:22 PM
Well, I was an E-3 When I joined the NAVY due to JROTC. Took me 2 years to get E-4. In the NAVY advancement is based on a test, needs of the navy, awards, TIG and slots available. It is possible to be an E-3 for 3-4 years. If you want to jon the NG, im not stopping you. But, if you want to still be a cadet and get your mitchell, I would hold off.

C/PO2 NJROTC
C/MAJ AJROTC
HM3 USN
2nd Lt CAP

Whew ive been wearing a uniform for half my life!!
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Stonewall on April 30, 2013, 01:43:33 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 01:40:22 PM
Whew ive been wearing a uniform for half my life!!

n00b
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on April 30, 2013, 01:43:55 PM
Over the last two weekends I've talked to 20+ POs/Chiefs, and one seaman apprentice. Great Lakes is top heavy like that. Lol.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 01:48:13 PM
Great lakes in top heavy because its a training command. If they wernt staff at a school more than likley they are E-2/E-3/E-4.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 30, 2013, 01:43:33 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 01:40:22 PM
Whew ive been wearing a uniform for half my life!!

n00b
Im a n00b? LOL I guess your right I am only 27 :)
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on April 30, 2013, 01:50:55 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 01:48:13 PM
Great lakes in top heavy because its a training command. If they wernt staff at a school more than likley they are E-2/E-3/E-4.

I know. It was great being back after 5 years.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: NIN on April 30, 2013, 03:40:19 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 30, 2013, 01:43:33 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 01:40:22 PM
Whew ive been wearing a uniform for half my life!!

n00b

69% for me. So to speak.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: lordmonar on April 30, 2013, 03:58:03 PM
Quote from: NIN on April 30, 2013, 03:40:19 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 30, 2013, 01:43:33 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 01:40:22 PM
Whew ive been wearing a uniform for half my life!!

n00b

69% for me. So to speak.
63% for me....:)
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Stonewall on April 30, 2013, 04:06:09 PM
65%
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on April 30, 2013, 04:13:49 PM
42.55%....:(
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 04:43:23 PM
Well math is not my Strong point.


August 2001-May 2005 I was in JROTC
July 2005-Sept 2008 US Navy
August 2012-Present CAP

So thats............ And im 27 Born April 1986?
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 04:52:20 PM
78 Months in Uniform, and i am 324 Months old. So thats............... 25%

Wow, Guess I am n00b :(

Unless you start at the age of 12 which is the Min age for CAP.

If you count Cub Scouts/Boy Scouts it is...7 years old they wear a "Uniform". So my percentage is higher.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 04:52:20 PM
78 Months in Uniform, and i am 324 Months old. So thats............... 25%

Wow, Guess I am n00b :(

Unless you start at the age of 12 which is the Min age for CAP.

If you count Cub Scouts/Boy Scouts it is...7 years old they wear a "Uniform". So my percentage is higher.

Also "uniform" is a hard one, are we talking military? sports? Clubs? Etc :)
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Peeka on April 30, 2013, 04:56:07 PM
Thats 27% without counting boy scouts, with boy scouts (if you did it 7 years) 29%.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: NIN on April 30, 2013, 04:56:11 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 04:43:23 PM
So thats............ And im 27 Born April 1986?

I graduated from BCT in April of 1986.  Thanks, thanks a lot.

I'll just go over here in the corner and DIE.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 05:09:30 PM
Quote from: NIN on April 30, 2013, 04:56:11 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on April 30, 2013, 04:43:23 PM
So thats............ And im 27 Born April 1986?

I graduated from BCT in April of 1986.  Thanks, thanks a lot.

I'll just go over here in the corner and DIE.

Its ok NIN, we need a Salt Dog in the bunch. Yes i do know that i am younger than the majority of the people in this thread. CAP has no age, am I correct?
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on April 30, 2013, 05:33:58 PM
I do believe I was the only SM at encampment south of 40.
Title: Re: Army Basic Combat Training substitute for Encampment for Mitchell?
Post by: SarDragon on May 01, 2013, 12:59:29 AM
Uniform, CAP & Navy - 39 years and 61% if you leave off the 10 years I was "pay, no play", and 49 years and 77% if you count it all. CAP is just over 7 years older than I am.