Recently, I have had trouble with my squadron involving a cadet promotion/review board. They are supposed to be held annually, but it wasn't until nearly 5 months that my squadron held a promotion board and I subsequently was promoted to C/SrA. What are your thoughts? Do the pros outweigh the cons? Or vice versa?
Yes, they should have them, but they cannot use them to artificially delay cadet progression.
You and your parents need to discuss this with your commander, and if reasonable answers aren't received, consider moving up to
the next echelon.
Most units have them at least once a month, or "as needed", depending on their size. Whatever the schedule, it should be posted
on the web and consistent.
Thank you very much? :)
correction *!
We have ours when cadets come up for their milestone awards, and change phase.
Cadet wants a new job (the new phase expectations) so the cadet interviews for that new job.
We also do our at the milestones as needed.
I think I said it once before but I will repeat myself. WIWAC our unit had promo boards for every achievement. It was a good tool for us, and I know several people may take issue with this, it weeded out those who lacked the maturity level (me) to handle additional responsibilities. BITD the element/squad leaders were responsible for ensuring their folks were kept informed and kept in line instead of the flight sergeant. I haven't seen this done recently; it is all on the flight sergeant or commander to my knowledge. We entrusted the squad leaders more and promo boards helped ensure someone was able to do their job or staff duty with minimum fuss and muss. If a cadet does not pass the PB they know what they have to work on for next time.
Quote from: Garibaldi on January 19, 2013, 02:16:24 PM
I think I said it once before but I will repeat myself. WIWAC our unit had promo boards for every achievement. It was a good tool for us, and I know several people may take issue with this, it weeded out those who lacked the maturity level (me) to handle additional responsibilities. BITD the element/squad leaders were responsible for ensuring their folks were kept informed and kept in line instead of the flight sergeant. I haven't seen this done recently; it is all on the flight sergeant or commander to my knowledge. We entrusted the squad leaders more and promo boards helped ensure someone was able to do their job or staff duty with minimum fuss and muss. If a cadet does not pass the PB they know what they have to work on for next time.
We had the same kind of setup WIWAC. It was made up of a promo board (usually Squad Cdr or DCOC, Cadet Commander, Flt Commander, and 1SG if we had one) that tested knowledge (including D and C, cadet oath, AF missions, etc), interview with whoever was supervisor on chain of command, uniform inspection, pt test, and achievement testing. It made the Cadet's involvement more than showing up to take a pt, leadership, and aerospace test. It also placed the responsibility of being a squared away cadet on the cadet, his element leader/flight sergeant/flight commander/etc and provided mentorship. I believe it is instrumental in having a well rounded cadet program. WIWAC in Army JROTC, we also had promo boards for every advancement of grade or rank.
A unit is required to give a cadet a CAP Form 50 review at least once per phase.
The promotion board, so long as it conforms to CAPR 52-16's provisions for promotion boards and uses the CAP Form 50 as its basis of evaluation, can (but does not have to) be held for every promotion. However, as Eclipse noted the unit should not be using these to hold up cadet promotions. If you earned a promotion and unit has not promoted you or given you formal counseling as to why you are not getting promoted, then you need to point your chain of command to the appropriate sections in CAPR 52-16. A unit cannot just sit on your pending promotion for 5 months without giving you any reason. If after you point this out to your chain, your leadership continues to fail to promote cadets in a timely manner (aka: when cadets earn those promotions) then it's a matter for either your parents to talk to the squadron leadership or for you to bring up with the next higher echelon of command (Group or Wing).
Quote from: Garibaldi on January 19, 2013, 02:16:24 PM
I think I said it once before but I will repeat myself. WIWAC our unit had promo boards for every achievement. It was a good tool for us, and I know several people may take issue with this, it weeded out those who lacked the maturity level (me) to handle additional responsibilities. BITD the element/squad leaders were responsible for ensuring their folks were kept informed and kept in line instead of the flight sergeant. I haven't seen this done recently; it is all on the flight sergeant or commander to my knowledge. We entrusted the squad leaders more and promo boards helped ensure someone was able to do their job or staff duty with minimum fuss and muss. If a cadet does not pass the PB they know what they have to work on for next time.
This! Back in 1998 (wow, 15 years ago) I wrote a paper that was published in the CAP Officer (online 'magazine') where I wrote about the importance of review boards...in fact, let me search for it...standby...
EDIT: Got it.Quote from: StonewallLooking back at my 11 years of service to CAP, I try to think of what I would consider the best thing that CAP ever did for me, and I have to say it was conducting review boards that were required for each promotion and when I was made to give classes. As a college student, veteran, and just as an adult, I have used those skills more so than any other skill I learned in CAP. Maybe you experienced something else that you think is more important, but for me it was the review boards and teaching classes. Think about it, a review board is nothing more than an interview, just like when you apply for a job. And teaching classes prepared me for teaching classes in the military and then for getting up in front of a class of 40 students and giving a report. CAP definitely made a difference in my life and it should be the goal of every squadron commander, DCC, and Cadet Programs senior to make a difference in their cadets' lives.
..and that pretty much mirrors with why we do review boards for every promotion, require the cadets to mentor and give classes, along the way through the higher achievements.
Many have cited almost that word for word it seems, when they come back for later visits.
Without answering the question of "should", from the latest CAPR 35-5:
1-10. Promotion Boards.
a. The commander at each echelon will appoint a promotion board to consider all promotion and demotion actions and make recommendations to the promoting authority.
Quote from: peter rabbit on January 22, 2013, 11:04:14 PM
Without answering the question of "should", from the latest CAPR 35-5:
1-10. Promotion Boards.
a. The commander at each echelon will appoint a promotion board to consider all promotion and demotion actions and make recommendations to the promoting authority.
I have a question about that.
Let's say you're assigned to a squadron, and you're up for Lt Col...
Do you need to go through promotion boards at unit, group, wing and region? Or, with the indication about "make recommendations to the promoting authority" (which in the Lt Col case is the Region/CC), only a promotion board at Region?
Quote from: JeffDG on January 22, 2013, 11:11:16 PM
Quote from: peter rabbit on January 22, 2013, 11:04:14 PM
Without answering the question of "should", from the latest CAPR 35-5:
1-10. Promotion Boards.
a. The commander at each echelon will appoint a promotion board to consider all promotion and demotion actions and make recommendations to the promoting authority.
I have a question about that.
Let's say you're assigned to a squadron, and you're up for Lt Col...
Do you need to go through promotion boards at unit, group, wing and region? Or, with the indication about "make recommendations to the promoting authority" (which in the Lt Col case is the Region/CC), only a promotion board at Region?
Jeff,
I take it to mean that the squadron boards the member, then the group and then the wing. Each recommendation gets rolled up to the region CC for his/her decision.
I base this on the wording "...commander at each echelon...to consider all..."
Although I am not a lawyer, I would think that if the intent were otherwise the regulation would have been worded "...the approving commander will appoint..."
It does seem like a Lt Col promotion might take more than a minute to get up to the region under what I consider to be the current process.
Quote from: JeffDG on January 22, 2013, 11:11:16 PM
Let's say you're assigned to a squadron, and you're up for Lt Col... Do you need to go through promotion boards at unit, group, wing and region?
Y'know - that's an interesting question! Hmm, it would be seem a bit odd if we follow the new reg and a major's application for lieutenant colonel goes up through a squadron-level board with a couple of captains and/or lieutenants. Wouldn't at least one member have to be of equal or higher grade than the member applying for the promotion? Hmm!
Quote from: peter rabbit on January 22, 2013, 11:04:14 PM
Without answering the question of "should", from the latest CAPR 35-5:
1-10. Promotion Boards.
a. The commander at each echelon will appoint a promotion board to consider all promotion and demotion actions and make recommendations to the promoting authority.
35-5 is Senior Member promotions. Cadet promotions are covered in CAPR 52-16. Though I thoroughly agree with having Cadet boards.
Quote from: Camas on January 23, 2013, 01:20:45 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on January 22, 2013, 11:11:16 PM
Let's say you're assigned to a squadron, and you're up for Lt Col... Do you need to go through promotion boards at unit, group, wing and region?
Y'know - that's an interesting question! Hmm, it would be seem a bit odd if we follow the new reg and a major's application for lieutenant colonel goes up through a squadron-level board with a couple of captains and/or lieutenants. Wouldn't at least one member have to be of equal or higher grade than the member applying for the promotion? Hmm!
If you keep reading:
QuoteThe chairman of the promotion board should be equal to or higher than the highest grade being recommended.
That's a "should", not a"shall"
Quote from: Camas on January 23, 2013, 01:20:45 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on January 22, 2013, 11:11:16 PM
Let's say you're assigned to a squadron, and you're up for Lt Col... Do you need to go through promotion boards at unit, group, wing and region?
Y'know - that's an interesting question! Hmm, it would be seem a bit odd if we follow the new reg and a major's application for lieutenant colonel goes up through a squadron-level board with a couple of captains and/or lieutenants. Wouldn't at least one member have to be of equal or higher grade than the member applying for the promotion? Hmm!
Per CAPR35-5 Para
1-10. Promotion Boards.
a. The commander at each echelon will appoint a promotion board to consider all promotion and demotion actions and make recommendations to the promoting authority. The promotion board will consist of at least three officers as follows: personnel officer, professional development officer and one additional officer designated by the commander.
The chairman of the promotion board should be equal to or higher than the highest grade being recommended. Appointment to promotion boards will be reflected by appropriate personnel authorizations. The board is responsible for considering all pertinent information pertaining to promotion actions and ensuring that the member being considered for promotion meets the minimum eligibility requirements. The promotion board should meet frequently enough to assure timely consideration of recommendations received. The action by the promotion board will be in the form of a recommendation to the approving authority as to whether the promotion or demotion should be approved or disapproved.