Good morning CAPTalk!
Does anyone know if it is possible for a squadron/group commander (or anyone for that matter) to be able to enter completion of OPSEC for a member in eservices?
The OPSEC Packet states that it is in OPS Quals but I do not see it with my permissions.
The long and short of it, as I am sure I'll be asked, is that I have a new cadet in my wing who is unable to access eservices as he/she does not have the last four of his/her SSN.
I cant go into details further than that but after discussing it with his/her family it has been determined that there is a genuine need. No laws are bieng broken and it has nothing to do with any immigration status, etc.
The family is working on getting new copies of all ID required for every day life but the process will take some time.
In the meantime I would like to assist this cadet with getting the ball rolling on a couple of promotions. I have planned to do in-person Intro to CAP Safety training and know how to validate it online. My only hurdle now is OPSEC.
Thanks for any insights!
-JB
Actually, the OPSEC entry portion is in "Commander's Corner", not OpsQuals...not sure who can do it...somewhere along the line I had it the privilege assigned to me (although I've never actually used it!)
I would check with the Squadron/CC and work up from there to find someone with the rights.
Better just call NHQ - to my knowledge there's no manual process because there's no offline version of the system.
We had similar issues with older members who were computer challenged and at some point someone had to just sit them
in front of a PC somewhere and do it.
Do you have a copy of the application? How could the kid join without an SSN?
Thanks, JeffDG! I'll ask the squadron CC to look there.
Thanks, Eclipse! I already have a call into NHQ to see what we can do. I'm plotting my Plan B just in case.
They HAD the SSN at the time of joining so it is on the application. Unfortunately they no longer have access to the card along with many other personal effects.
On the Opsec training start page there is a link to download the training (.zip) and instructions on administering it locally.
https://tests.capnhq.gov/opsec/main.cfm
OK - the assumption here is that the info was redacted on the required copy of the app in the cadet's file?
Quote from: Eclipse on December 12, 2012, 04:15:42 PM
OK - the assumption here is that the info was redacted on the required copy of the app in the cadet's file?
Correct. That was my first thought. The Personnel officer does a good job of hitting the SSN with a sharpie before he files it.
If that is the original form, hold it up to a light, hold it with light across the surface, etc. On the back side.. and perhaps maybe the thing can be modified to not block out the last four until eServices access is established.
OTOH, -someone- had the number to write it on the form.
Quote from: a2capt on December 12, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
If that is the original form, hold it up to a light, hold it with light across the surface, etc. On the back side.. and perhaps maybe the thing can be modified to not block out the last four until eServices access is established.
OTOH, -someone- had the number to write it on the form.
It seems that something not good happened and the card is no longer available.
Quote from: a2capt on December 12, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
If that is the original form, hold it up to a light, hold it with light across the surface, etc. On the back side.. and perhaps maybe the thing can be modified to not block out the last four until eServices access is established.
OTOH, -someone- had the number to write it on the form.
the original was sent to NHQ. The one on file is a copy, copy paper, sharpie over the top. Impossible to read.
I tried holding it over a light bulb, camera flash, lighter (short of burning it) all to no avail.
It's hard to explain in too much detail without betraying the families confidence.
Once again though, I assure you it's 100% on the up and up.
The legal and right thing to do would be to have the family go to the local SSA office and apply for a new card and start again.
Quote from: Garibaldi on December 12, 2012, 08:32:14 PM
The legal and right thing to do would be to have the family go to the local SSA office and apply for a new card and start again.
It will just be a replacement card with the same number that was on the old one which was used on the application.
The cadet has simply lost the card between applying for membership and receiving his CAPID (with extraordinary circumstances to blame).
Now we are at the point where the last 4 are needed to gain eservices access and take opsec/intro to CAP safety.
While the cadet waits for the replacement card (which could be a while due to earlier mentioned circumstances) I would like to assist with getting at the very least the first stripe.
Considering the circumstances I believe it would be very beneficial to the cadets self esteem, morale and personal self worth to at least put the effort into TRYING to make it happen.
So that's what I'm doing. :)
Can you actually not enter the first stripe w/o OPSEC?
You can get a test to print, Introduction to Safety can be done on paper too, and entered.
Quote from: a2capt on December 12, 2012, 08:54:26 PM
Can you actually not enter the first stripe w/o OPSEC?
You can get a test to print, Introduction to Safety can be done on paper too, and entered.
Ya know, I was making an assumption there but when I check stripes to diamonds I don't see OPSEC.
GREAT POINT!
Thank you. I'll give it a shot while we wait.
(EDIT:)
I don't see it in the Cadet Promotions module either. This is good news!
Thanks again.
Have you found anyone with the "OPSEC Entry" menu in Commander's Corner yet?
I'd punch something in there to see what happens, but I really don't want to "certify" something like that just to test, and I don't know if it asks for "confirmation" before committing the entry.
Not yet but I'm working on it. Thanks for the tip!
OPSEC entry is done in Operations Qualifications, not Commander's Corner. (The OPSEC Entry module in Commander's Corner is for the commander to assign privileges.)
Start Operations Qualifications -> Single person entry -> enter CAPID -> select OPS-OPSEC in Functional Area dropdown -> enter date -> click submit (if you have data entry privileges)
It should then show up in the approval/validate queue for those who have approval authority.
We've processed a lot of cadets at the meeting with OPSEC, EO and Intro to CAP Safety, and the first test. All on paper or eServices bulk entry. We're pretty much on top of the OPSEC and related, we have a section on the web and a page to hand out that has "required training" on it, and most get it done on their own before the 1st stripe comes into play. So it's been a while, I can't recall having to deal with it, but perhaps they made it required in this latest change where PT scores are actually tracked, etc. Seems to not be.
Quote from: ßτε on December 12, 2012, 09:43:42 PM
OPSEC entry is done in Operations Qualifications, not Commander's Corner. (The OPSEC Entry module in Commander's Corner is for the commander to assign privileges.)
Start Operations Qualifications -> Single person entry -> enter CAPID -> select OPS-OPSEC in Functional Area dropdown -> enter date -> click submit (if you have data entry privileges)
It should then show up in the approval/validate queue for those who have approval authority.
Ahhh...
OK, I have it in Commander's Corner, but have never seen it in OpsQuals...then again, nobody's ever asked me to do it before, but I remember seeing it in Commander's Corner.
Thanks Guys.
You've given me a lot of great info to help get this cadet started.
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say this cadet was a victim of identity theft, based on the content of your posts.
Anyway, in case you're still having issues, one solution you could try is having the cadet go to the DMV (assuming he has an ID card / permit / license) and request a copy of his own driving record. I'm trying to remember if Michigan lists the SSN on their driving records and I think they do, not 100% sure though, especially with NCIC vs the actual DMV system he would get a copy from.
Yes it's perfectly legal as long as he (or his parent/guardian having co-signed) is the one requesting it for himself. After that, the DMV is free of their responsibility for that record, and he can pass it along as he needs to.
Again, assuming identity theft, if it was only his SSN that was compromised and assuming this SSN hasn't been changed with a new one yet / his DMV file hasn't been updated, the old SSN should show on there.
FYI usually driving records are about $6
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Disregard what I just said, lol. I checked the Michigan Secretary of State's website, and they had an example driving record listed. Michigan doesn't show SSNs on their driving records.
P.S. it's $8.
http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1627_14648-107635--,00.html (http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1627_14648-107635--,00.html)
Edit: 300th post for me!