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Title: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: Matt Kenyon on December 10, 2012, 08:12:25 PM
Some of my favorites include:

CC; sorry I see cadet commander, should it be CO?
CDC; DCC makes sense to me
TacO; I just don't see what is so tactical aboot a SM babysitter.

How about you?
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: SJFedor on December 10, 2012, 08:19:34 PM
CC, CD, DO, et al, are the regulatory office symbols, and they come from CAPR 10-1, attachment 1, which trickles down from AFI 38-101. They're not made up, they're per regulation. CO is the office symbol for the NHQ Chief Operating Officer.

A TAC officer is not a "tactical officer". TAC is an acronym for "Training, Advising, and Counseling".
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: Cool Mace on December 10, 2012, 08:23:03 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on December 10, 2012, 08:19:34 PM
CC, CD, DO, et al, are the regulatory office symbols, and they come from CAPR 10-1, attachment 1, which trickles down from AFI 38-101. They're not made up, they're per regulation. CO is the office symbol for the NHQ Chief Operating Officer.

A TAC officer is not a "tactical officer". TAC is an acronym for "Training, Advising, and Counseling".

+1

CDC makes sense (in a way), since the first C represents a Commander. Or at least a command position.

So it's "Commander, Deputy of Cadets." But it's easier, and makes sense to say "Deputy Commander of Cadets."
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: jimmydeanno on December 10, 2012, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: Cool Mace on December 10, 2012, 08:23:03 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on December 10, 2012, 08:19:34 PM
CC, CD, DO, et al, are the regulatory office symbols, and they come from CAPR 10-1, attachment 1, which trickles down from AFI 38-101. They're not made up, they're per regulation. CO is the office symbol for the NHQ Chief Operating Officer.

A TAC officer is not a "tactical officer". TAC is an acronym for "Training, Advising, and Counseling".

+1

CDC makes sense (in a way), since the first C represents a Commander. Or at least a command position.

So it's "Commander, Deputy of Cadets." But it's easier, and makes sense to say "Deputy Commander of Cadets."

Since the office symbols are for the mail room to figure out where to bring the envelopes...  CDC is actually more like, "Command Section, Deputy for Cadets"  CC works out to be more like, "Command Section, Commander"  and CDS, "Command Section, Deputy for Seniors".
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: Matt Kenyon on December 10, 2012, 08:57:40 PM
I have always heard TAC stood for tactical... My first new thread and I learn  something!
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: PA Guy on December 10, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: mkenyonpvs on December 10, 2012, 08:57:40 PM
I have always heard TAC stood for tactical... My first new thread and I learn  something!

Let me add to your knowledge base. The TAC is not there to babysit. They are there to act as a resource and mentor. If the TACs you have encountered were there just to babysit they were doing it wrong.
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: Al Sayre on December 10, 2012, 09:11:16 PM
Welcome to CAPTalk, you'll probably learn a lot of stuff here, whether you want to or not ;)
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: JeffDG on December 10, 2012, 09:21:50 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on December 10, 2012, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: Cool Mace on December 10, 2012, 08:23:03 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on December 10, 2012, 08:19:34 PM
CC, CD, DO, et al, are the regulatory office symbols, and they come from CAPR 10-1, attachment 1, which trickles down from AFI 38-101. They're not made up, they're per regulation. CO is the office symbol for the NHQ Chief Operating Officer.

A TAC officer is not a "tactical officer". TAC is an acronym for "Training, Advising, and Counseling".

+1

CDC makes sense (in a way), since the first C represents a Commander. Or at least a command position.

So it's "Commander, Deputy of Cadets." But it's easier, and makes sense to say "Deputy Commander of Cadets."

Since the office symbols are for the mail room to figure out where to bring the envelopes...  CDC is actually more like, "Command Section, Deputy for Cadets"  CC works out to be more like, "Command Section, Commander"  and CDS, "Command Section, Deputy for Seniors".
And you keep adding letters on...

So:
Director of Operations:  DO
Director of Emergency Services:  DOS
Emergency Services Training Officer:  DOST
Assistant Emergency Services Training Officer:  DOSTA

Nice thing is, you can see the reporting relationship most of the time...DOSTA works for DOST, who works for DOS, who works for the DO.
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: ol'fido on December 10, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
If the VP is such  a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT. Because if it leaks to the VC , he could wind up MIA and then we'd all be on KP ."

Everyone remember that movie?
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: SJFedor on December 10, 2012, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: ol'fido on December 10, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
If the VP is such  a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT. Because if it leaks to the VC , he could wind up MIA and then we'd all be on KP ."

Everyone remember that movie?

(http://melgibstein.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/vietnam.jpg)

I see what you did there!
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: NCRblues on December 10, 2012, 10:49:04 PM
Quote from: ol'fido on December 10, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
If the VP is such  a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT. Because if it leaks to the VC , he could wind up MIA and then we'd all be on KP ."

Everyone remember that movie?

"Where's Crounauer?" "Still eating, sir." "I want to see him ASAP" "...What, sir?" "As soon as possible" "ah...VG sir"
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: NIN on December 10, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
Actually, the "Teach, Advise & Counsel" part of "TAC Officer" is a bit of a "backronym". It was Tactical Officer back into the 1950s and before, and as a student of military history, I've only see the rise of "Teach, Advise & Counsel" in the last 10-15 years or so.   And mostly in CAP.
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: SarDragon on December 10, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: NIN on December 10, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
Actually, the "Teach, Advise & Counsel" part of "TAC Officer" is a bit of a "backronym". It was Tactical Officer back into the 1950s and before, and as a student of military history, I've only see the rise of "Teach, Advise & Counsel" in the last 10-15 years or so.   And mostly in CAP.

Yeah, what he said. It was certainly Tactical Officer in the '60s and '70s when I did my first two encampments.
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: SJFedor on December 10, 2012, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on December 10, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: NIN on December 10, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
Actually, the "Teach, Advise & Counsel" part of "TAC Officer" is a bit of a "backronym". It was Tactical Officer back into the 1950s and before, and as a student of military history, I've only see the rise of "Teach, Advise & Counsel" in the last 10-15 years or so.   And mostly in CAP.

Yeah, what he said. It was certainly Tactical Officer in the '60s and '70s when I did my first two encampments.

Ah. First I heard of the "TAC"ronym (if you'll forgive the pun) was in 99 when I was a student at Valley Forge Military Academy, because I asked the same question to my squad leader, "What's so tactical about the Major sitting in his office and occasionally following us around?"

I got the "definition" from the US Army's WOCS page. USMA defines a "tactical officer" as : A Tactical Officer (TAC) is the legal Company Commander of a Cadet Company and the primary developer of cadets at the United States Military Academy (USMA), West Point , New York .
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: Brad on December 10, 2012, 11:28:20 PM
I know at The Citadel TAC is short for Tactical Officer.

And as far as it being CC and not CO, that's an Air Force exclusive thing. The Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard all use CO to desginate the Commanding Officer.

The same is true for VC. In all the other branches it is XO, Executive Officer. Whereas with the Air Force again it is VC, for Vice-Commander, and XO, while still Executive Officer, becomes a staff officer position, instead of a command officer position.

Air Force just has to be different...
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: jimmydeanno on December 11, 2012, 04:09:31 AM
Tactical means "at the battlefront."  Essentially, where the rubber meets the road.  A Tactical Officer would be the officer at that point.  In an encampment sense, that is the senior officer assigned to oversee the individual flights (which are where the rubber meets the road).  If you are talking about them in the training sense, they are ensuring that their tactical leadership lessons are being delivered.  "Tactical Officer" makes sense if you remove the idea that "tactical" somehow represents the person kicking in doors and throwing grenades.
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: ol'fido on December 12, 2012, 12:29:50 AM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on December 11, 2012, 04:09:31 AM
Tactical means "at the battlefront."  Essentially, where the rubber meets the road.  A Tactical Officer would be the officer at that point.  In an encampment sense, that is the senior officer assigned to oversee the individual flights (which are where the rubber meets the road).  If you are talking about them in the training sense, they are ensuring that their tactical leadership lessons are being delivered.  "Tactical Officer" makes sense if you remove the idea that "tactical" somehow represents the person kicking in doors and throwing grenades.
Darn it!!!! >:D
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: Has been on December 16, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
just a bit of history

Finance use to be AC because it was Accounting
IT use to be ACT because the computer were bought for accounting ad T was for technology
Plans and Programs was XR because X offices were eXperimental and R because it was 18th experement
The one I always worried about was the assistant in Operations, his office symbol was D.O.A.
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: cm42 on December 16, 2012, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: Has been on December 16, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
The one I always worried about was the assistant in Operations, his office symbol was D.O.A.

He should have consulted with the old ES "Ground Operations Director"....
Title: Re: non sequitur acronyms
Post by: ol'fido on December 17, 2012, 12:25:00 AM
Two of my favorites are GSA and GFO. >:D Especially since I coined them. :angel: