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General Discussion => The Lobby => Topic started by: Garibaldi on December 06, 2012, 12:40:02 AM

Title: It's not enough...
Post by: Garibaldi on December 06, 2012, 12:40:02 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/bogus-war-hero-sentenced-to-30-days-in-federal-prison/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/bogus-war-hero-sentenced-to-30-days-in-federal-prison/?test=latestnews)

This guy faked his discharge papers. Claims to have 2 PH, 2 MSM and 3 Bronze Stars, as well as claiming service in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places, AND schools he never attended. I don't think the sentence is quite enough IMO.
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: Eclipse on December 06, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
And worse, he wasn't really convicted on any valor issues - it's altering an official document.

I wonder sometimes if the history these guys build is literally based on what the surplus store or online source had
in the clearance bin.
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: FlyTiger77 on December 06, 2012, 01:39:54 AM
There may or may not be a sucker born every minute, but it seems that morons like this grow on trees. Geez.
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: Garibaldi on December 06, 2012, 01:47:31 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 06, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
And worse, he wasn't really convicted on any valor issues - it's altering an official document.

I wonder sometimes if the history these guys is literally based on what the surplus store or online source had
in the clearance bin.

If that was the case, I could make myself a senior parachutist, with a CIB with star and wreath, multiple PH, and whatever other badges I wanted. The local surplus shop does NOT have the MoH, thankfully. I didn't look to see if it stocked Silver/Bronze Stars, Navy Cross, DFC or any other valor awards.
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: Private Investigator on December 06, 2012, 09:39:38 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 06, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
I wonder sometimes if the history these guys build is literally based on what the surplus store or online source had
in the clearance bin.

One of my oldest son's friends said his father has the Medal of Honor from Viet Nam. The b.s. story is identical to the part where Forrest Gump goes to Viet Nam    ::)
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: RRLE on December 06, 2012, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 06, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
And worse, he wasn't really convicted on any valor issues - it's altering an official document.

You cannot convict someone based on a law the Supremes threw out as unconstitutional. See US v. Alvarez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Alvarez)
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: Rick-DEL on December 06, 2012, 04:19:27 PM
It is sad. There are few things we veterans can walk away with outside of memories, friends, or physical ailments. And, decorations are physical appreciations we get for our service. To see others walk into a surplus store or click a mouse online to "purchase" a fake history angers many. I know for one, what I have is what I earned and that cannot be devalued by fraudsters, but I do believe there should be a much stiffer penalty imposed on them.
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: capmaj on December 06, 2012, 05:06:38 PM
FYI..................  http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2012/12/military-senate-passes-revised-stolen-valor-act-120312/ (http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2012/12/military-senate-passes-revised-stolen-valor-act-120312/)
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: Texas Raiders on December 07, 2012, 08:50:33 PM
Do a search for Don Shipley or look him up on youtube.  He is a retired US Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer and SEAL who operates a BUDS prep course and helps maintain a complete database of all SEALS and/or graduates of BUDS.  His hobby is exposing SEAL imposters and others who are guilty of stealing valor from real veterans.  It will make your blood boil and entertain you at the same time.  The Senior Chief is a pretty funny guy, but don't tick him off.   
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: krnlpanick on December 07, 2012, 09:30:37 PM
Quote from: Texas Raiders on December 07, 2012, 08:50:33 PM
Do a search for Don Shipley or look him up on youtube.  He is a retired US Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer and SEAL who operates a BUDS prep course and helps maintain a complete database of all SEALS and/or graduates of BUDS.  His hobby is exposing SEAL imposters and others who are guilty of stealing valor from real veterans.  It will make your blood boil and entertain you at the same time.  The Senior Chief is a pretty funny guy, but don't tick him off.

He also runs "The Extreme Seal Experience" which I hope to attend next summer.
Title: Re: It's not enough...
Post by: Eclipse on December 07, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
Those videos are pretty funny.

Some of the fakes are just sad, but some of those guys are off the reservation.