I am so tired of receiving emails, especially from CAP people, with disclaimers in the footer like this:
The information contained in this communication is confidential, is
intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally
privileged.
If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are
hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this
communication is strictly prohibited.
If you have received this communication in error, please resend this
communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy
of it from your computer system.
No, it's not.
If you're dumb enough to send confidential information to someone who has no internal vested interest with your
organization (i.e. values employment or membership), there is absolutely nothing to stop the recipient from posting it or using it
as they see fit.
Also, in a related question, how is it possible that 110-1 is dated Jan 2000? That essentially predates the entirety of the internet
as it exists today.
I could see using that disclaimer if you're, say, a doctor's office or an attorney.
But Joe Schmoe?
Like that has any weight to someone who wants to forward your emails...
Those are typical auto-add disclaimers for almost any business email. The user has no control over it.
Quote from: Eclipse on November 21, 2012, 06:46:29 PM
Also, in a related question, how is it possible that 110-1 is dated Jan 2000? That essentially predates the entirety of the internet as it exists today.
That's potentially a productive thread discussion worth having. What would a 2013 version of CAPR 110-1 contain? Regulatory-wise, not "best practices" and "advice for running a squadron online presence" but straight regulatory "Here's what CAP units at region and below must do."
I sense a new thread coming... ;)
Quote from: arajca on November 21, 2012, 07:07:40 PM
Those are typical auto-add disclaimers for almost any business email. The user has no control over it.
Correct. I've received emails with this that have nothing more than "What's up man?" in it.
I know that, for me, any email coming off my company network has the disclosure. Yeah sure, I could turn it off just to send CAP email, but why bother? It would take me longer to turn off the disclosure than to send most of the emails I send.
I hate most of these. However, I did get a decent reason from my current job. As an architecture/engineering firm, sometimes we send PDFs of plans to clients that aren't final for feedback, etc. Our disclaimer says that any electronic files sent are not to be used as final construction documents. That way we can't be sued if someone tries to use incomplete plans for something and it fails.
I really can't see any reason in CAP to have them. Other than some CYA stuff (see above) they really don't do anything but clutter up the message. Especially once you get into a few rounds of forwards or replies with huge legalese in the sig.
Quote from: arajca on November 21, 2012, 07:07:40 PM
Those are typical auto-add disclaimers for almost any business email. The user has no control over it.
Yes, although they are useless regardless - companies who use them simply show their arrogance about user naiveté, or simply their own naiveté.
But when CAP people put them in manually, it's just annoying, since it not only is not required, it serves zero purpose.
Speaking of which:
QuoteThe original content of this post is Copyright (c) 2011 by Darin Ninness. The right to reproduce the content of this post within CAP-Talk only for the purposes of providing a quoted reply,by CAP-Talk users only, is specifically granted. All other rights, including "Fair Use," are specifically reserved.
I won't get too in-depth about IP law, but "fair use" is not a right of the author, it's a right of the person using the material, and as such cannot be "reserved" or prohibited.
Quote from: 17 USC107. Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a
copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords
or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism,
comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use),
scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.pdf
So, should I choose to copy a post elsewhere, for the purpose of comment or criticism, your reservation of rights is of no impact, because the law specifically states that it's not an infringement of copyright.
Quote from: CAPR 110-17. Personal Information. Personal information regarding CAP members or employees, including but not limited to, social security number, residence address, date of birth, should only be made available through CAP internet operations to those individuals who have a specific need to have such information for official CAP business only. When this information is placed on a web server as part of a
CAP internet operation, reasonable security, such as password access, should be implemented to protect the information. Such information when included in a CAP internet operation shall be accompanied by the following notice:
Warning: The information you are receiving is protected from interception or disclosure. Any person who intentionally distributes, reproduces or discloses its contents is subject to the penalties set forth in 18 United States Code Section 2511 and/or related state
and federal laws of the United States
It looks like that it does appear required when sending certain information. If only just to meet CAP Regulations
^ I don't think that is applied correctly. 18-2011 refers to the intentional interception of information. You accidently sending me your passwords,
or NESA posting PII in spreadsheets that are spidered by Google (happens every year, hopefully it's been corrected) is not intentional interception.
The cite from 110-1 indicates "web server" not email, which to me basically says if you hack in, or use someone else's credentials.
Quote from: Eclipse on November 22, 2012, 04:41:27 AM
The cite from 110-1 indicates "web server" not email, which to me basically says if you hack in, or use someone else's credentials.
I'm not an IT type, but when ever you send an email isn't saved on a web server somewhere as part of the delivery process? The Paragraph before this one includes emails as part of "CAP Internet Operations"
I saw a public CAP website with this disclaimer on it once. I laughed pretty hard. :angel:
Quote from: SARDOC on November 23, 2012, 12:31:59 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on November 22, 2012, 04:41:27 AM
The cite from 110-1 indicates "web server" not email, which to me basically says if you hack in, or use someone else's credentials.
I'm not an IT type, but when ever you send an email isn't saved on a web server somewhere as part of the delivery process? The Paragraph before this one includes emails as part of "CAP Internet Operations"
Yes, at least stored in transit, if not scraped by the server, the FBI, and anyone else with admin rights.
My company's disclaimer is worse:
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional express written confirmation to that effect. The information is intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you.
And to top it off, I am not even in the parent company that ever deals with energy commodities!