The Dayton (OH) Daily News has a large article about alleged theft of historical items by CAP historians.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/ (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/)
Obviously, this doesn't look good no matter the details of the situation. Curious how this got brought to the media's attention.
well, cap talk makes the news.
the cap meeting mentioned was probably the georgia wing conference. our squadron was instrumental in bringing the conference to jekyll island, ga., in 2006. i remember a room full of historical items, the first time i had seen a cap historical display of that size at a wing conference, or anywhere else, for that matter. it was very interesting.
bill
I'd have to work really hard to care about this.
The National CC says "no issue" regarding a situation which is almost certainly a typical CAP misunderstanding.
Anything beyond that is just trying to sell ad clicks.
Roger that on another typical CAP misunderstanding.
Struck me as one of these types of situations. 8)
Raiders of the Lost Ark: top men + warehouse scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-rQ6Jay6w#)
Quote from: RiverAux on August 05, 2012, 04:11:16 PM
The Dayton (OH) Daily News has a large article about alleged theft of historical items by CAP historians.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/ (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/)
Obviously, this doesn't look good no matter the details of the situation. Curious how this got brought to the media's attention.
Because Skip at News-of-the-Force brought it to their attention.
Quote from: Eclipse on August 05, 2012, 05:08:10 PM
I'd have to work really hard to care about this.
The National CC says "no issue" regarding a situation which is almost certainly a typical CAP misunderstanding.
Anything beyond that is just trying to sell ad clicks.
+1. Another media overhype over nothing. Seeing how they brought up funding, it looks like a bunch of mediatypes trying to stir controversy over our funding and our operations to fit into the hard economic times. I can imagine the next headline:
"IS CAP REALLY WORTH THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!"
Quote from: PHall on August 05, 2012, 09:45:05 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 05, 2012, 04:11:16 PM
The Dayton (OH) Daily News has a large article about alleged theft of historical items by CAP historians.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/ (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/)
Obviously, this doesn't look good no matter the details of the situation. Curious how this got brought to the media's attention.
Because Skip at News-of-the-Force brought it to their attention.
I laugh (and cringe because it's a lie) every time I see that "nominated for a Pulitzer" thing on the NOTF website. There's no such category as Skip says he was nominated for, and if you're going to lie about that, where's your credibility elsewhere?
(Hey, they say that about the real media anytime something bad happens. Why can't they do it when some guy in his pajamas sitting in his basement puts something on the Internet?)
But I doubt anyone at the Dayton Daily reads NOTF. I'm willing to bet no one in Skip's hometown media (except me) even know his site exists... and I only look at it when someone in CAP tells me there's something negative there. Nothing to look at here....
Really, though, the foundation isn't under CAP governance. This is only tangentially a CAP story.
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on August 06, 2012, 12:13:53 AM
Quote from: PHall on August 05, 2012, 09:45:05 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 05, 2012, 04:11:16 PM
The Dayton (OH) Daily News has a large article about alleged theft of historical items by CAP historians.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/ (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/)
Obviously, this doesn't look good no matter the details of the situation. Curious how this got brought to the media's attention.
Because Skip at News-of-the-Force brought it to their attention.
I laugh (and cringe because it's a lie) every time I see that "nominated for a Pulitzer" thing on the NOTF website. There's no such category as Skip says he was nominated for, and if you're going to lie about that, where's your credibility elsewhere?
(Hey, they say that about the real media anytime something bad happens. Why can't they do it when some guy in his pajamas sitting in his basement puts something on the Internet?)
But I doubt anyone at the Dayton Daily reads NOTF. I'm willing to bet no one in Skip's hometown media (except me) even know his site exists... and I only look at it when someone in CAP tells me there's something negative there. Nothing to look at here....
Really, though, the foundation isn't under CAP governance. This is only tangentially a CAP story.
According to what Skip wrote on his site (NoTF), reporters from the Dayton Daily worked with him doing their "investigative reporting". ::)
Quote from: PHall on August 06, 2012, 01:13:11 AM
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on August 06, 2012, 12:13:53 AM
Quote from: PHall on August 05, 2012, 09:45:05 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 05, 2012, 04:11:16 PM
The Dayton (OH) Daily News has a large article about alleged theft of historical items by CAP historians.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/ (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/)
Obviously, this doesn't look good no matter the details of the situation. Curious how this got brought to the media's attention.
Because Skip at News-of-the-Force brought it to their attention.
I laugh (and cringe because it's a lie) every time I see that "nominated for a Pulitzer" thing on the NOTF website. There's no such category as Skip says he was nominated for, and if you're going to lie about that, where's your credibility elsewhere?
(Hey, they say that about the real media anytime something bad happens. Why can't they do it when some guy in his pajamas sitting in his basement puts something on the Internet?)
But I doubt anyone at the Dayton Daily reads NOTF. I'm willing to bet no one in Skip's hometown media (except me) even know his site exists... and I only look at it when someone in CAP tells me there's something negative there. Nothing to look at here....
Really, though, the foundation isn't under CAP governance. This is only tangentially a CAP story.
According to what Skip wrote on his site (NoTF), reporters from the Dayton Daily worked with him doing their "investigative reporting". ::)
(laughing) Suuuure. And I'm William Randolph Hearst.
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on August 06, 2012, 01:18:35 AM
Quote from: PHall on August 06, 2012, 01:13:11 AM
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on August 06, 2012, 12:13:53 AM
Quote from: PHall on August 05, 2012, 09:45:05 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 05, 2012, 04:11:16 PM
The Dayton (OH) Daily News has a large article about alleged theft of historical items by CAP historians.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/ (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/civil-air-patrol-wont-release-findings-of-probe-of/nP9fs/)
Obviously, this doesn't look good no matter the details of the situation. Curious how this got brought to the media's attention.
Because Skip at News-of-the-Force brought it to their attention.
I laugh (and cringe because it's a lie) every time I see that "nominated for a Pulitzer" thing on the NOTF website. There's no such category as Skip says he was nominated for, and if you're going to lie about that, where's your credibility elsewhere?
(Hey, they say that about the real media anytime something bad happens. Why can't they do it when some guy in his pajamas sitting in his basement puts something on the Internet?)
But I doubt anyone at the Dayton Daily reads NOTF. I'm willing to bet no one in Skip's hometown media (except me) even know his site exists... and I only look at it when someone in CAP tells me there's something negative there. Nothing to look at here....
Really, though, the foundation isn't under CAP governance. This is only tangentially a CAP story.
According to what Skip wrote on his site (NoTF), reporters from the Dayton Daily worked with him doing their "investigative reporting". ::)
(laughing) Suuuure. And I'm William Randolph Hearst.
Yep, more trashing the organization, more salt in the wounds.
OK, so find out who got the stuff and go from there, and hopefully none of the stuff ended up on e-bay. 2b them if necessary.
I do wish, however, that a traveling display be created that could go from wing to wing for conferences. I think that would be pretty cool. Otherwise, speaking as a historian, I do find that the historical aspects of this organization, whether they are artifacts or records, really is lacking.
Quote from: flyboy1 on August 06, 2012, 01:26:35 AMI do wish, however, that a traveling display be created that could go from wing to wing for conferences. I think that would be pretty cool. Otherwise, speaking as a historian, I do find that the historical aspects of this organization, whether they are artifacts or records, really is lacking.
Do you have any idea how much it would cost to move that display around the country?
And people whine now about how much it costs to put on the various conferences...
Whether or not there is anything to this specific story, one of the reasons I favor donating any CAP materials collected by our historians (particularly at the national level) to a real museum and/or archive collection to be looked after by real curators and available for public use. Whether this is in the military museum system or some other reputable institution isn't terribly important to me. (Though some recent issues regarding CG Aux historical items that went to a relatively small state university collection give me some pause).
What if a CAP museum were stood up somewhere in the country? Like at National Headquarters? Would that be a good idea, do you think? Discuss.
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on August 06, 2012, 03:53:49 AM
What if a CAP museum were stood up somewhere in the country? Like at National Headquarters? Would that be a good idea, do you think? Discuss.
We would need space. Someone paid to maintain/run it...
Take it out of the Vanguard money?
We're much better off having our artifacts installed as parts of other museums' collections.
There isn't the money or interest in a permanent exhibit beyond the small installation they have at NHQ. An installation
at the NASM or at Dayton would get 100x the traffic anything at Maxwell ever would.
How many of you know CAP has three airplanes (count 'em, three) at the National Museum of the United States Air Force -- yes, the granddaddy of 'em all, at Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio?
How many of you know that one of them carried the call sign Air Force One?
All three are in the presidential hangar, alongside every presidential plane but Reagan's. Two of them are hoisted aloft, hanging above FDR's "Sacred Cow."
CAP's Hall of Honor was there, but I haven't seen it on my last two or three visits there (it was moved, as were the CAP planes).
Should the CAPHF work with the Air Force Museum to get some space for the Air Force's auxiliary? Questions for you to ponder.
I wonder what happens in someone's mind that makes them so obsessed with an organization that they were removed from. At what point do you realize that you just should move on with your life?
If an organization "let's you go" why not just move on? I don't get it.
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on August 06, 2012, 03:53:49 AM
What if a CAP museum were stood up somewhere in the country? Like at National Headquarters? Would that be a good idea, do you think? Discuss.
While nothing is ever really permanent in this world, I'd prefer that it be handled outside CAP by real professionals. I don't think a CAP Museum would ever draw enough visitors to be self-supporting and the overhead would be too great.
All the personal recrimination has not done us any good. More importantly why have the objects not been recovered?!
Since the honor of officers is the matter at hand, I need hardly remind this group of people, that accountability is the first requisite for holding any position of "trust." :-[