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General Discussion => Uniforms & Awards => Topic started by: ProdigalJim on June 16, 2012, 05:28:13 PM

Title: 2A Or Not 2A...That Is The Question
Post by: ProdigalJim on June 16, 2012, 05:28:13 PM
Here's the scenario, and I'm scratching my head. A large-scale, Wing-wide mission, with dozens of participants. A PA gets filed by the wing listing everyone who qualifies for a Disaster Relief ribbon with "V" device.

Is the purpose of the PA simply to acknowledge and record everyone who participated, or is it a shortcut to preparing dozens of individual CAP Form 2As? Does the PA serve as a kind of "mass" 2A, or do those involved now use the PA, uploaded in eServices, as supporting evidence for their own individually-filed 2As?
Title: Re: 2A Or Not 2A...That Is The Question
Post by: Private Investigator on June 16, 2012, 05:32:23 PM
Actually the PA is much better documentation.

Now you do not have to do dozens of 2As, which will get lost, misplaced, etc, etc.
Title: Re: 2A Or Not 2A...That Is The Question
Post by: arajca on June 16, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
The PA replaces the CAPF 2a for this purpose.

My habit is to print out 2 for each unit member, highlight their name on each, put one in their file, and hand them the other, with the ribbon/device or clasp during our next public humiliation awards ceremony.
Title: Re: 2A Or Not 2A...That Is The Question
Post by: Eclipse on June 16, 2012, 05:47:49 PM
The PA is the approval and substantiation.   Each member should get a copy.
Title: Re: 2A Or Not 2A...That Is The Question
Post by: ProdigalJim on June 16, 2012, 05:57:47 PM
OK, thanks, everyone. 39-3 didn't really address it.
Title: Re: 2A Or Not 2A...That Is The Question
Post by: RogueLeader on June 16, 2012, 06:04:51 PM
An awards Personnel Authorization is so much more preferable to create than many 2A's.
Title: Re: 2A Or Not 2A...That Is The Question
Post by: MSG Mac on June 16, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
Quote from: ProdigalJim on June 16, 2012, 05:57:47 PM
OK, thanks, everyone. 39-3 didn't really address it.

It's in the Admin Series CAPR 10-1
Title: Re: 2A Or Not 2A...That Is The Question
Post by: SarDragon on June 16, 2012, 08:13:25 PM
In cases where the big PA doesn't list the names, like a Unit Commendation from NHQ, I have gone so far as to generate a supplemental local PA, with all the correct names for the period, so folks can't come back later and claim that they should be wearing it, too. A copy of the original goes with the supplement.

The folks doing the UCI/SAV right after one of these awards liked the idea.
Title: Re: 2A Or Not 2A...That Is The Question
Post by: ProdigalJim on June 16, 2012, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: MSG Mac on June 16, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
Quote from: ProdigalJim on June 16, 2012, 05:57:47 PM
OK, thanks, everyone. 39-3 didn't really address it.

It's in the Admin Series CAPR 10-1

Duh! Didn't think to look there. I'm thinking I might sign up for the Admin PD track just so I can get smarter on figuring out how stuff gets done...