So what ever happened to Antonio J. Pineda? Is he still in CAP? FLWG's page on him does not say, just that he was suspended - has he been re-instated?
http://flwg.us/information/archives/biographies/antonio-j-pineda.aspx (http://flwg.us/information/archives/biographies/antonio-j-pineda.aspx)
No !
If I recall correctly, he was demoted to senior member without grade, and membership was terminated. He has gone to create the us ranger corps.
Quote from: RogueLeader on June 13, 2012, 08:11:45 PM
If I recall correctly, he was demoted to senior member without grade, and membership was terminated. He has gone to create the us ranger corps.
Why demote him if he was going to be terminated? Were they trying to save on his retirement benefits?
The last heard was that he had founded an organization called the US Ranger Corps. This organization had a web page with information on it.
Quote from: jacksmith60187 on June 13, 2012, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: RogueLeader on June 13, 2012, 08:11:45 PM
If I recall correctly, he was demoted to senior member without grade, and membership was terminated. He has gone to create the us ranger corps.
Why demote him if he was going to be terminated? Were they trying to save on his retirement benefits?
You demote him to: Deny him the use of the title due to the findings of the BofG that found he abused his authority by awarding himself the highest award CAP can give for heroism, fired Members of the National Board for legitimate differences of opinion.
Doen'tmatter he appointed himself a LTG when he formed the US Ranger Corps.
A sad example of power corrupt.
Quote from: jacksmith60187 on June 13, 2012, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: RogueLeader on June 13, 2012, 08:11:45 PM
If I recall correctly, he was demoted to senior member without grade, and membership was terminated. He has gone to create the us ranger corps.
Why demote him if he was going to be terminated? Were they trying to save on his retirement benefits?
You forgot a word there: "
extensive retirement benefits"
"Have you ever been inside a Turkish prison?"
He's gone. Just one of the less shining moments of CAP history. Gone.
Let me try and ask a question without opening up too big of a can of worms. TP or HWSRN doesn't sound like the subtle "wait till I am in power and then stick it to 'em" type. Why did so many along the way keep promoting him to higher and higher positions of authority. I guess I wonder this because I live in a state that has sent TWO, DOS, A COUPLE, A PAIR, THE FORMER AND THE LATTER, etc. Governors to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons. One of them was even re-elected. I didn't vote for either one and I didn't vote for the current one who I really hope follows in his predecessor's footprints. Are people that gullible? Are we that willing to turn things over to someone like that because the smart ones are too smart to consider taking the job? ???
it begs the question "WHO CARES"???????
The fact is that no supposed "tyrant" acts alone nor rises to any position without people. What I found distasteful is the idea that things that occurred during that period had to be "purged" just because they were introduced then at the great expense of the Greater CAP.
I am talking about the Corporate Service Uniform which, while attributed to someone (I mean from the moment it was introduced it was called the "TPO" despite the fact that it was likely the brainchild of many many more people.)
Many people have pointed out issues with the National Board, however, there should a lessened chance of DICTATORSHIP in a body that large. Usually, and this is true to some degree, when the Board votes for what one likes it is "DEMOCRACY" however, with it votes in the negative to one's desires, it is "and EVIL PUPPET PARLIAMENT."
Quote from: ol'fido on June 13, 2012, 10:16:21 PM
Let me try and ask a question without opening up too big of a can of worms. TP or HWSRN doesn't sound like the subtle "wait till I am in power and then stick it to 'em" type. Why did so many along the way keep promoting him to higher and higher positions of authority. I guess I wonder this because I live in a state that has sent TWO, DOS, A COUPLE, A PAIR, THE FORMER AND THE LATTER, etc. Governors to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons. One of them was even re-elected. I didn't vote for either one and I didn't vote for the current one who I really hope follows in his predecessor's footprints. Are people that gullible? Are we that willing to turn things over to someone like that because the smart ones are too smart to consider taking the job? ???
AH yes, the ol "why did no one stop him before question"....
You will get a different version of an answer from every person in CAP. From he was a smooth talker to he promised CAP members the moon if only they would vote for him.
Honestly it does not matter how he got there, just that he was not an honest man while in office, and IMHO we are still feeling the repercussions of his tyrannical rule to this day.
Quote from: cap235629 on June 13, 2012, 10:20:52 PM
it begs the question "WHO CARES"???????
History tends to repeat itself. Who knows what lowly group commander or wing staffer might be the Nat CC in 5-10 years.
Quote from: jacksmith60187 on June 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
So what ever happened to Antonio J. Pineda He Who Shall Remain Nameless? Is he still in CAP? FLWG's page on him does not say, just that he was suspended - has he been re-instated?
http://flwg.us/information/archives/biographies/antonio-j-pineda.aspx (http://flwg.us/information/archives/biographies/antonio-j-pineda.aspx)
Search is your friend. That has been answered eleventy 12teen times here.
Quote from: Eclipse on June 13, 2012, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: jacksmith60187 on June 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
So what ever happened to Antonio J. Pineda He Who Shall Remain Nameless? Is he still in CAP? FLWG's page on him does not say, just that he was suspended - has he been re-instated?
http://flwg.us/information/archives/biographies/antonio-j-pineda.aspx (http://flwg.us/information/archives/biographies/antonio-j-pineda.aspx)
Search is your friend. That has been answered eleventy 12teen times here.
Mr. P has no current ties to CAP. There is a very low probability of his reinstatement; even though the AF IG noted there were irregularities in his membership termination. How did he get to be the National Commander? He took the position after his predecessor resigned from office.NB members usually elect "incumbents" unless there is a orchestrated effort to be rid of them. At the time, there was no reason to think he would have led us down the path taken. His election in 2005 was unopposed. Once elected, he was free to do what he did. National Commanders have complete authority and, until our governance changes, nothing can (easily) stop the commander from abusing authority.
I actually met him once in passing...it was just a "good to meet you, Sir;" "likewise, Captain," and that was it...about 30 seconds of notoriety there. :P
Of course, this was quite some time before it hit the fan with him.
Quote from: Major Carrales on June 13, 2012, 10:24:44 PM
What I found distasteful is the idea that things that occurred during that period had to be "purged" just because they were introduced then at the great expense of the Greater CAP.
I am talking about the Corporate Service Uniform which, while attributed to someone (I mean from the moment it was introduced it was called the "TPO" despite the fact that it was likely the brainchild of many many more people.)
Hear, hear on that! :clap:
A lot of people called it the TPU. I was not one of them. Canning that uniform will not erase what one man did. It just ticked off a lot of people who liked and sank money into that uniform
(which was approved by the USAF, after some minor alterations). "Streamlining the uniforms" was given as the
excuse reason. That could have been done by eliminating the colourless grey/white.
Eliminating a sharp, popular uniform to try and "purge" an organisation's collective memory of a bad actor is illogic that even a Vulcan could not figure out.
The fact that we had a bad apple, and that people along the way went along to get along, is very sad. The larger question in my mind is, what did CAP do to set right the damage to the lives and reputations of people Lord Voldemort drove from our organization? This is not a rhetorical question.
Major Lord
As a squadron commander on "the frontier" of the Nation and, in many ways, the organization...I can say this...
At the time, the person occupying the Office of National Commander had little effect on the daily operations of the squadron. I said that many times. As things were "coming to a head" not a single person in my unit or group really cared about it. I was in Atlanta for the PAO academy when it all happened. It was a detraction to that process.
When I came home, all that happened was I changed a photograph at CAP Station Corpus Christi, the hangar at Robstown and CAP Station Kingsville. Life went on...cadets got promoted, flown on O-Flights, major operations and Hurricane recovery preparations.
However...CAPTALK, CAPBLOG and numerous other places had it as shades of the END of DAYs. Others took on the position of the purge mentioned earlier.
I have another question...
WHY THE HECK TO WE HAVE SUCH DRAMA, POLITICAL MACHINATIONS and INTRIGUES over NON-PAID POSITIONS of LIMITED POWER? (yes...all caps, and if it bother's you, get over it)
We are all theoretically here for the opportunity to serve our "Community, State and Nation" in CAP, why the sour persimmons about it?
Quote from: Major Lord on June 14, 2012, 03:51:30 AM
what did CAP do to set right the damage to the lives and reputations of people Lord Voldemort drove from our organization? This is not a rhetorical question.
Major Lord
I got a personal apology from CAP and the USAF and was welcomed back with open arms. Others got the same thing but elected to stay out of the organization, some got the same thing, came back in and smelled the same stuff and left again. It all depends on the person and circumstance.
Quote from: NCRblues on June 14, 2012, 04:07:09 AMI got a personal apology from CAP and the USAF and was welcomed back with open arms.
If it's not too personal, how and why did a national commander drive you out of the organization?
Quote from: Fubar on June 14, 2012, 06:42:35 AM
Quote from: NCRblues on June 14, 2012, 04:07:09 AMI got a personal apology from CAP and the USAF and was welcomed back with open arms.
If it's not too personal, how and why did a national commander drive you out of the organization?
Of course, NCRblues can answer as to the circumstances.
But I would bet that the executioner's axe used was good ole Form 2B. The abuse of that is one of the biggest pitfalls of this organisation.
let's not get into this again...