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Operations => Tools of the trade => Topic started by: RADIOMAN015 on June 02, 2012, 09:23:17 PM

Title: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: RADIOMAN015 on June 02, 2012, 09:23:17 PM
See the website:
http://www.cheapham.com/wouxun-kg-uv6d-commercial-dual-band-ht-with-2-5k-step/  (http://www.cheapham.com/wouxun-kg-uv6d-commercial-dual-band-ht-with-2-5k-step/)

  $165.00 for a dual band VHF/UHF radio that is compliant with FCC Part 90, narrow band utilization.

Apparently USCG Auxiliary has information out that the if a radio is FCC type accepted for part 90, than it is authorized by NTIA for use on federal government narrow band frequencies.

See:
http://cgaux11s05.org/Members/TCO-Radio-Procedures-071811.pdf (http://cgaux11s05.org/Members/TCO-Radio-Procedures-071811.pdf)   

RM
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: Major Lord on June 02, 2012, 10:14:49 PM
The approval of NTIA and FCC part 90 are entirely different animals. Generally, any LMR radio will be Part 90 approved ( it should be, especially if it was legally imported) NTIA approval is a separate process, and a radio that could not meet Part 90 requirement would never reach the far more exacting standards of NTIA compliance. The Wouxun radio could never meet the NTIA narrow band specification. Its a ham radio that just barely squeaks by Part 90 approval, which allows the manufacturer to export them without having to open the dealers importing and selling them to fine and imprisonment.  Its receiver section is just not tight enough, but as a cheap part 90 radio, its not a bad buy.

Major Lord
Title: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: denverpilot on June 03, 2012, 03:12:56 PM
The "user interface" is also awful.

Any radio you have to go dig out the manual to figure out how to stop it from speaking frequencies in Chinese...
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: RogueLeader on June 03, 2012, 07:03:35 PM
Being a "Radio Man" you'd think he would know this.
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: Major Lord on June 03, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
Quote from: RogueLeader on June 03, 2012, 07:03:35 PM
Being a "Radio Man" you'd think he would know this.

Dude; Harsh!

Major Lord
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: RogueLeader on June 03, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Major Lord on June 03, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
Quote from: RogueLeader on June 03, 2012, 07:03:35 PM
Being a "Radio Man" you'd think he would know this.

Dude; Harsh!

Major Lord

I have a slight tact problem as I call em as I sees em.
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: Major Lord on June 03, 2012, 09:33:05 PM
I don't know Radio Man, so I took his post to mean that our squidly cousins had inferred that USC, Title 47, Part 90 confers operating privileges in NTIA regulated territory, not that he personally endorsed that proposition. If the Coasties take that position, they are wrong. Its important to remember though, that for most misuse of radios, the legal controlling authority for Federal Enforcement ( i.e, the guys with guns) is still FCC. To the best of my knowledge, NTIA does not have a jack-booted thug, er, enforcement branch. Yet.

Major Lord
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: RogueLeader on June 03, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
If it were not for the fact of he claimed it of potential cap use, one would check if it is useful to use.
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: RADIOMAN015 on June 03, 2012, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: Major Lord on June 03, 2012, 09:33:05 PM
I don't know Radio Man, so I took his post to mean that our squidly cousins had inferred that USC, Title 47, Part 90 confers operating privileges in NTIA regulated territory, not that he personally endorsed that proposition. If the Coasties take that position, they are wrong. Its important to remember though, that for most misuse of radios, the legal controlling authority for Federal Enforcement ( i.e, the guys with guns) is still FCC. To the best of my knowledge, NTIA does not have a jack-booted thug, er, enforcement branch. Yet.

Major Lord
Correct, the USCG Aux frequencies (except VHF marine band) are also NTIA managed, so this was a surprise to me when I did a google search (and confirmed with more than one district having the same policy).

Interestingly even Wouxun's ham radio models appear to have the required transmitter stability (my wing DC asked National), the problem is as you state on the receiver specifications. (I haven't seen the overall specifications on this new part 90 certified model).   This might be problematic in areas that have a high utilization of military VHF radio nets in the same bands as CAP.   BTW  CAP can't buy VHF radios with our (AF funds) anymore unless the equipment is  NFM/P25 CAI modulation as well as DES encryption capable per DOD policy.
RM   
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: SarDragon on June 03, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
If you dig through the rules and regs far enough, you will find that the umbrella agency for radios, radars, etc. is the NTIA, NOT the FCC. The FCC has been ceded control of the non-government users.
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: cap235629 on June 04, 2012, 01:00:01 AM
if not for the P25 requirement I am a big fan of the Kenwood TM-271A which is the same radio as their TK 7360.  As far as analog operation, you can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Wouxun Model KG-UV6D Portable Radio, Potential CAP Personal Radio Use?
Post by: Major Lord on June 04, 2012, 01:21:31 AM
Well, since I have a half dozen Icom F30 G's and GS's, I guess its going to be awhile before I go shopping for a new CAP radio! I would really like a Thales....

Major Lord