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Title: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: RADIOMAN015 on May 26, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
CAP National Commander's message on Memorial Day
http://www.capvolunteernow.com/todays-features/?honor_veterans_sacrifice_for_memorial_day_carr_urges_members&show=news&newsID=13164
(http://www.capvolunteernow.com/todays-features/?honor_veterans_sacrifice_for_memorial_day_carr_urges_members&show=news&newsID=13164)

Indicates that 85 CAP personnel were killed during the WW II era performing missions.     

Does anyone know if there's a Memorial anywhere relating to these members (and others after WW II) that died while performing a CAP authorized mission ???
RM
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: BillB on May 26, 2012, 05:13:14 PM
There is one in Lantana FL for CP Base 3
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: crisptheyounger on May 26, 2012, 05:33:13 PM
There is a memorial plaque (http://www.hmdb.org/Marker.asp?Marker=15368) at Arlington National Cemetery.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: titanII on May 26, 2012, 05:34:21 PM
Quote from: crisptheyounger on May 26, 2012, 05:33:13 PM
There is a memorial plaque  (http://"http://www.hmdb.org/Marker.asp?Marker=15368")at Arlington National Cemetery.
That link didn't work for me, Ma'am.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: crisptheyounger on May 26, 2012, 05:38:19 PM
Quote from: titanII on May 26, 2012, 05:34:21 PM
Quote from: crisptheyounger on May 26, 2012, 05:33:13 PM
There is a memorial plaque  (http://"http://www.hmdb.org/Marker.asp?Marker=15368")at Arlington National Cemetery.
That link didn't work for me, Ma'am.

Fixed. It should work now.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: RiverAux on May 26, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
NHQ supposedly was working on a national memorial for all CAP members.  Its really starting to upset me that only CAP members that died in WWII are ever mentioned when in fact more have died since then. 
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: lordmonar on May 26, 2012, 08:05:54 PM
There is one here on Nellis for a member who died on a mission in the 60's or 70's.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: The CyBorg is destroyed on May 26, 2012, 09:55:40 PM
I didn't even know about the one at Arlington!

However, I think there are a couple of markers at former Coastal Patrol bases (?).

Quote from: RiverAux on May 26, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
NHQ supposedly was working on a national memorial for all CAP members.  Its really starting to upset me that only CAP members that died in WWII are ever mentioned when in fact more have died since then. 

Where's it going to be?  On the grounds of Maxwell somewhere?  A better place would be at the Air Force Museum, with all the memorials outside in that garden-type setting.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: spacecommand on May 27, 2012, 12:26:18 AM
There's a memorial dedication mark at Arlington National Cemetery.

Each year for Wreath's Across America, CAP members also stop there as well.
http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Outline_of_December_Events_updated__64A15A97DDA51.pdf (http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Outline_of_December_Events_updated__64A15A97DDA51.pdf)
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: bosshawk on May 27, 2012, 12:36:06 AM
I, personally, know of five members of Sq 80, San Jose , Ca who were killed on AF-assigned missions.  As far as I know, there is no memorial dedicated to them.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: flyboy53 on May 27, 2012, 10:39:04 AM
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on May 26, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
CAP National Commander's message on Memorial Day
http://www.capvolunteernow.com/todays-features/?honor_veterans_sacrifice_for_memorial_day_carr_urges_members&show=news&newsID=13164
(http://www.capvolunteernow.com/todays-features/?honor_veterans_sacrifice_for_memorial_day_carr_urges_members&show=news&newsID=13164)

Indicates that 85 CAP personnel were killed during the WW II era performing missions.     

Does anyone know if there's a Memorial anywhere relating to these members (and others after WW II) that died while performing a CAP authorized mission ???
RM

Where did you get 85. I thought the number was 64 with at least one of them being a cadet killed getting an orientation flight at an airshow?
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: PHall on May 27, 2012, 02:17:38 PM
Quote from: bosshawk on May 27, 2012, 12:36:06 AM
I, personally, know of five members of Sq 80, San Jose , Ca who were killed on AF-assigned missions.  As far as I know, there is no memorial dedicated to them.

There used to be a memorial plaque at Wing Headquarters that listed them, and all of the other CAWG members who have died while performing their CAP duties.
And I know for a fact that there is a memorial to them at Sq 80's headquarters.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: bosshawk on May 27, 2012, 05:46:11 PM
Phil: I know about the plaque at Sq 80: in fact, there are two, since there were two crashes.  I was the Sq Deputy Commander when one of the crashes occured and organized their memorial service.  I was referring to a National Memorial.  I knew all five guys, most of them quite well.  I had flown with all five, some many times.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: RiverAux on May 27, 2012, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: CyBorg on May 26, 2012, 09:55:40 PM
I didn't even know about the one at Arlington!

However, I think there are a couple of markers at former Coastal Patrol bases (?).

Quote from: RiverAux on May 26, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
NHQ supposedly was working on a national memorial for all CAP members.  Its really starting to upset me that only CAP members that died in WWII are ever mentioned when in fact more have died since then. 

Where's it going to be?  On the grounds of Maxwell somewhere?  A better place would be at the Air Force Museum, with all the memorials outside in that garden-type setting.

No clue.  Seem to recall seeing some pictures of some large glass pieces that were supposed to be part of it.  Might find something in the history threads (probably where this thread should be BTW)
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: James Shaw on May 27, 2012, 06:41:57 PM
Please see attached info about CAP Memorial Dedicated to ALL those who have died in the line of Duty. The funds were raised by CAP members and the item dedicated to them in 2006 at the NB in Atlanta.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: AngelWings on May 27, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
There was a plaque dedicated to Coastal Patrol 18 in Falmouth, Mass.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: bosshawk on May 27, 2012, 07:49:57 PM
Jim: thanks for showing this to all of us.  I seemed to remember that such a memorial had been produced, but gray hair and fading memory plays unfair tricks.  Not too many CAP members ever get to Maxwell, so it will go largely unnoticed and forgotten.

On to a uniform thread, folks.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: James Shaw on May 27, 2012, 11:47:17 PM
Quote from: bosshawk on May 27, 2012, 07:49:57 PM
Not too many CAP members ever get to Maxwell, so it will go largely unnoticed and forgotten.

The memorial is not on display at the moment. After the 2006 Display at the NB it was put away during the revamp of NHQ. They do not have a place for it now. We had hoped to find a home central such as NHQ for display, we havent had any luck. It is spit between two locations right now. The glass is with me (safely packed) and the metal framing is with Lt Col Todd Engelman in Dayton OH. We are still actively looking for a place to install so we can honor our fallen members. Initially we thought this was going to be NHQ but they havent had much luck either finding a home.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: PHall on May 28, 2012, 12:18:21 AM
Quote from: caphistorian on May 27, 2012, 11:47:17 PM
Quote from: bosshawk on May 27, 2012, 07:49:57 PM
Not too many CAP members ever get to Maxwell, so it will go largely unnoticed and forgotten.

The memorial is not on display at the moment. After the 2006 Display at the NB it was put away during the revamp of NHQ. They do not have a place for it now. We had hoped to find a home central such as NHQ for display, we havent had any luck. It is spit between two locations right now. The glass is with me (safely packed) and the metal framing is with Lt Col Todd Engelman in Dayton OH. We are still actively looking for a place to install so we can honor our fallen members. Initially we thought this was going to be NHQ but they havent had much luck either finding a home.

Since the framing is is Dayton, how about the Air Force Museum?  Being a museum, access and security shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: bosshawk on May 28, 2012, 02:51:25 AM
+1
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: RiverAux on May 28, 2012, 04:40:27 PM
Refresh my memory, was the official memorial going to list everyone's name or just be a generic thing like the Arlington one?
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: James Shaw on May 28, 2012, 05:05:08 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on May 28, 2012, 04:40:27 PM
Refresh my memory, was the official memorial going to list everyone's name or just be a generic thing like the Arlington one?

Every member that has died in the line of duty.
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: RiverAux on May 28, 2012, 05:30:35 PM
Great.  Has that part been built?
Title: Re: CAP Memorial for CAP Members Who Die While Performing A Mission?
Post by: spacecommand on May 29, 2012, 05:02:11 AM
Is there list of names somewhere (doc/pdf file)?

I read reading through our unit history about some pilots who were active in CAP in the 1950s who were lost in an aircraft accident.  Though there was no indication of if they were lost while performing a CAP flight or privately piloting their planes.