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Cadet Programs => Cadet Programs Management & Activities => Topic started by: Extremepredjudice on May 02, 2012, 07:56:15 PM

Title: Redesigning CoC
Post by: Extremepredjudice on May 02, 2012, 07:56:15 PM
The C/CC in my squadron told me to come up with redesigns of our squadron's CoC. He asked for several choices.

We have 41 cadets on books. About 30ish show up consistantly.
Our NCOs (That attend meetings):
1 C/CMSgt. (1st C/CMSgt. achievement, so it will be a while on becoming an officer)
2 C/SMSgt.
2 C/MSgt.
2 C/TSgt.
2 C/SSgt.
Officers (That attend meetings):
1 C/Major
(possibility of a C/1st Lt. returning from college hiatus.)

this (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GrVvq5YT4NWtZI30g547EGMjcOqUlCH7APrLYIIzcNQ/edit) is our current CoC.

These are the two suggestions that I have so far.

Note: the lines didn't upload when I uploaded it, but you should be able to figure out how the CoC flows.
Another note: Comments are enabled, so comment areas you have concerns about.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OcHAUHwqAhxRpCxoBimJH05LN-0QOijVUUpUugyTLEY/edit


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aYpXsTxDTWl8UAY7uEpZ5KSDAZxg6V4ct6R44nBqg5Y/edit


Does anyone have suggestions/comments/anything useful?
Title: Re: Redesigning CoC
Post by: HGjunkie on May 02, 2012, 08:03:05 PM
Replace the C/SSgt asst. flight sgt with the other C/TSgt.
Title: Re: Redesigning CoC
Post by: Extremepredjudice on May 02, 2012, 08:05:10 PM
ERM, I don't believe the other TSgt. should be in charge of a flight.
Title: Re: Redesigning CoC
Post by: jeders on May 02, 2012, 08:45:45 PM
I would go with the first proposal. The second one with one flight having a commander and the other not, especially when the commander is an NCO, is just too unbalanced. I like that you are randomly assigning cadets to flights and rotating element leaders through.
Title: Re: Redesigning CoC
Post by: Eclipse on May 02, 2012, 08:56:30 PM
Why do you need "Assistant Flight Sgts"?  Aren't the element leaders essentially doing that?
Title: Re: Redesigning CoC
Post by: Extremepredjudice on May 02, 2012, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 02, 2012, 08:56:30 PM
Why do you need "Assistant Flight Sgts"?  Aren't the element leaders essentially doing that?
In case the flight sergeant doesn't show up.

Title: Re: Redesigning CoC
Post by: FlyTiger77 on May 02, 2012, 09:37:03 PM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 02, 2012, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 02, 2012, 08:56:30 PM
Why do you need "Assistant Flight Sgts"?  Aren't the element leaders essentially doing that?
In case the flight sergeant doesn't show up.

What does the assistant flight sergeant do when the flight sergeant does show up?

When the flight sergeant doesn't show up, can the senior element leader take over?

Title: Re: Redesigning CoC
Post by: lordmonar on May 02, 2012, 10:23:39 PM
Quote from: FlyTiger77 on May 02, 2012, 09:37:03 PM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 02, 2012, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 02, 2012, 08:56:30 PM
Why do you need "Assistant Flight Sgts"?  Aren't the element leaders essentially doing that?
In case the flight sergeant doesn't show up.

What does the assistant flight sergeant do when the flight sergeant does show up?

When the flight sergeant doesn't show up, can the senior element leader take over?
I ain't got a dog in this fight....but what does it matter?
The Assitant Flight Sergeant would assist the Flight Sergeant in his duties and take the over in the Flight Sergeants absences.
Sure you could assign one of the element leaders to take over in the absence of the Flight Sergeant.....who does the element leader's job?

If you got the people there is no reason to assign someone the duties.

Having said all that.....I would not bother with the Assitant Flight Sergeant positions.  But to each his own.
Title: Re: Redesigning CoC
Post by: sarmed1 on May 03, 2012, 03:39:19 AM
I think it depends on why you are organizing your Unit?  Accountabilty? (like in recall)  Supervision and training? Squadron operations.... you get the gist

Command Element: Commander, Deputy, 1st Shirt

Flight A:   Squadron manning: ie those that are no longer basics but dont hold a squadron position:  here is where you "practice" leadership roles by rotating around element leader experience etc etc and otherwise settle into general CAP life; depending on how your numbers go you can form elements of specialization (ie color guard, ES..... or whatever); usually a grade spread of Airman to SSgt.....

Flight B:  The ever infamous "basic" flight: Flight Sgt and assist remain constant everyone else is only there long enough to get promoted out

Flight C:  "Support staff"--- your mentored  20-1 "officers"-ops, admin, logistics,etc, etc that help the command element "run" the cadet side

worked well for me in one squadron

mk