I could not find another area for this, so I'm putting it here.
There are some cadets within CAP that act like 12 year olds, that think that sounding off makes you a mean person. That try and act like best buddies with you during drill or formation even when you are flight commander. In detail, how would you deal with these types of cadets? What would you tell them?
I know we were going to learn this at CTEP next month, but I am having issues within the squadron and it is driving me NUTS.
Thanks.
what school are u going to
Quote from: Noble Six on April 22, 2012, 04:41:02 AM
what school are u going to
Homeschooled. Why does that matter?
Edit ^ I didn't mean to have an attitude. :/
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Nvm, I'll PM it to you.
Could I get the PM as well? I have similar problems
Quote from: ElectricPenguin on April 22, 2012, 04:36:53 AM
I could not find another area for this, so I'm putting it here.
There are some cadets within CAP that act like 12 year olds, that think that sounding off makes you a mean person. That try and act like best buddies with you during drill or formation even when you are flight commander. In detail, how would you deal with these types of cadets? What would you tell them?
I know we were going to learn this at CTEP next month, but I am having issues within the squadron and it is driving me NUTS.
Thanks.
Okay some questions/requests.
1) Define "sounding off".
2) Can you explain the purpose of Drill and Formation.
3) Can you elaberate on "act like best buddies"
4) Can you in 10 sentances or less discribe what you think the proper demeanor of the flight commander/flight sergeant should be?
5) What is your position in the squadron?
Quote from: MikeS on April 22, 2012, 09:57:37 PM
Could I get the PM as well? I have similar problems
Sent. I didn't save the one I sent to the OP, so it isn't exactly the same, but similar.
Okay some questions/requests.
1) Define "sounding off".
2) Can you explain the purpose of Drill and Formation.
3) Can you elaberate on "act like best buddies"
4) Can you in 10 sentances or less discribe what you think the proper demeanor of the flight commander/flight sergeant should be?
5) What is your position in the squadron?
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1. Well, in our squadron we dont really even sound off. It is more of talking loudly. (Not even close to like encampment.) The cadet expects a boy scout style squadron.
2. Formation is for announcments and presentations. Drill is to teach military bearing, so we could atleast look and act similar to the military. Not asking the flight commander how their day is going while you are in a flight.
3. I explained a little off this in 2, the cadet SLIDES his feet and gets within half arms length of me and says really slowly "Suppppp sergeanttttttttttt..."
4. The flight commander oversees the flight and flight serg. No one is hazing, or even close. The flight sergeant (Of Alpha, not a basic flight that has recruits) needs to be sounding off, but still not hazing. Needs to stay firm on the cadets, otherwise the JROTC cadets will think they know more and start disrespecting the rest of us. It's happened before.
5. BCT Flight Commander as of right now(even though I am a SMSgt), but I have been told he has been doing similar things to the alpha staff and even exec staff during PT.
Quote from: ElectricPenguin on April 23, 2012, 12:17:03 AMQuote
Okay some questions/requests.
1) Define "sounding off".
2) Can you explain the purpose of Drill and Formation.
3) Can you elaberate on "act like best buddies"
4) Can you in 10 sentances or less discribe what you think the proper demeanor of the flight commander/flight sergeant should be?
5) What is your position in the squadron?
1. Well, in our squadron we dont really even sound off. It is more of talking loudly. (Not even close to like encampment.) The cadet expects a boy scout style squadron.
I still don't know what you mean by "sound off".
Quote2. Formation is for announcments and presentations. Drill is to teach military bearing, so we could atleast look and act similar to the military. Not asking the flight commander how their day is going while you are in a flight.
Okay..the purpose of the drill is not to teach military bearing.....go look what it really supposed to do.
Quote3. I explained a little off this in 2, the cadet SLIDES his feet and gets within half arms length of me and says really slowly "Suppppp sergeanttttttttttt..."
And you say "Drill SIR!" or if he is subordinate to you, you say "That's 'Good evening Sergeant', Cadet".
Quote4. The flight commander oversees the flight and flight serg. No one is hazing, or even close. The flight sergeant (Of Alpha, not a basic flight that has recruits) needs to be sounding off, but still not hazing. Needs to stay firm on the cadets, otherwise the JROTC cadets will think they know more and start disrespecting the rest of us. It's happened before.
You are failing to communicate exactly what you thing is supposed to be going on.
Quote5. BCT Flight Commander as of right now(even though I am a SMSgt), but I have been told he has been doing similar things to the alpha staff and even exec staff during PT.
Okay....WHO exactly do you have a problem with? In your first post you kind of made it sound like all your or some of your cadets were just too easy going for you tastes.
So this is what you do....you take this individual aside...you calmly and clearly and respectfully explain your position and ask them to get with the program. If that does not work. you take it up the chain of command.
I, however, think that one of the problems may be you. I think that you may be taking drill too seriously and need to crank back the expectations.
Forget about comparing yourself to anyone other organisation....they are not going to respect you no matter what you do.....so don't try.
I teach drill sometimes. I get the same thing, not very often anymore, but I used to. I would simply remind them in my command voice, that they are at the position of attention, and at the position of attention there is no moving or talking. The position of attention is the most disciplined position, it requires the utmost discipline to hold. Now practice your discipline and bearing. If you have a question you will raise your hand and hold it there until I acknowledge your question. If your question does not have anything to do with what is going on, you must ask for permission to ask it ( I will only include this if things have already been going badly during the formation).
Drill can be tough, and you must remember, they are teenagers, they are not emotionally developed fully yet, so they may not be on par with discipline as you are, or thy may be an underlying factor that you don't know about. Maybe teaching a class on bearing and customs and courtesies is in order. But just don't come to the next meeting with a changed personality of, I'm not going to take this anymore, it will shut them off completely, even the good ones.
It also takes time, think abou how long they have been there. If they have only been around for eight months or less, they may not be completely used to it yet.
Quote from: ElectricPenguin on April 22, 2012, 04:36:53 AM
There are some cadets within CAP that act like 12 year olds...
Newsflash: There are some cadets within CAP that
are 12 years olds!
As for your issue in particular, as others eluded to already, it's unclear as to the real question/issue you are facing.