has anybody out there made/designed any really cool CAP sweatshirts or T-shirts? The ones on Vanguard aren't the best to say the least, and i was hoping to find a really cool one online available for purchase. Any ideas? Besides the obivous choice of attempting to make my own lol.
My squadron has 2 PT shirts. One black, the other grey/white.
It has the squadron logo on the front, and CIVIL AIR PATROL on that back
There is some CAP stuff available here...but a fair bit of it is unit specific:
http://shop.cafepress.com/civil-air-patrol (http://shop.cafepress.com/civil-air-patrol)
http://www.zazzle.com/civil+air+patrol+gifts (http://www.zazzle.com/civil+air+patrol+gifts)
Some of it is kind of cool.
I'm surprised VG hasn't tried to shut it down.
^ I liked the "find" ribbon pajamas. ;D
It's a legal question now for many apparel and/or other service companies whether the name CIVIL AIR PATROL can legally be placed on any type of merchandise whether it is clothing or novelty items cups, key chains, etc. without the explicit approval from National Headquarters Civil Air Patrol. We all saw what happen to the Hawk Shop regarding this >:( :(.
I think the safest thing to get screen printed (colors or one color) on a Tshirt would be your squadron's patch. I know ours doesn't say Civil Air Patrol on it so it wouldn't be an issue. IF you use different colored Tshirts you may have adjust the colors that you are utilizing (screen print could just be white also a dark colored shirt).
RM
MY squadron is taking our squadron patch, and sewing it onto a black t-shirt.
Quote from: Sgt. Fischer on April 27, 2012, 06:21:18 PM
MY squadron is taking our squadron patch, and sewing it onto a black t-shirt.
That's an expensive way of doing it. Silk screening would be much easier and cheaper.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on April 21, 2012, 05:31:11 PM
It's a legal question now for many apparel and/or other service companies whether the name CIVIL AIR PATROL can legally be placed on any type of merchandise whether it is clothing or novelty items cups, key chains, etc. without the explicit approval from National Headquarters Civil Air Patrol. We all saw what happen to the Hawk Shop regarding this
There's a big difference between a 3rd party, for-profit company selling items with CAP indices and insignia, and members creating logowear and
similar items for their own use.
There's also a difference between vendors making CAP items for general sale and a CAP unit (squadron or otherwise) purchasing or commissioning items with the CAP name, logo, seal, etc. on them. CAPR 900-2 permits units to use the name and emblems.
So Store X can't make CAP t-shirts on their own and start selling them, but Fillable Composite Squadron can order t-shirts from Store X with CAP stuff all over them if they want.
I had some shirts custom made with my unit name and my name/rank and Search and Rescue on the back. I like it because it identifies me with CAP even when I don't have my blouse on.
Quote from: commando1 on April 28, 2012, 03:11:57 AM
I had some shirts custom made with my unit name and my name/rank and Search and Rescue on the back. I like it because it identifies me with CAP even when I don't have my blouse on.
Well, Don't you have to get a new shirt every time to rank up? :P
Quote from: Sgt. Fischer on May 01, 2012, 06:11:05 PM
Quote from: commando1 on April 28, 2012, 03:11:57 AM
I had some shirts custom made with my unit name and my name/rank and Search and Rescue on the back. I like it because it identifies me with CAP even when I don't have my blouse on.
Well, Don't you have to get a new shirt every time to rank up? :P
What is "rank up"?
For 2/3rds of the CAP Membership promotions don't come in 60 day time periods.
Quote from: usafaux2004 on May 01, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
Quote from: Sgt. Fischer on May 01, 2012, 06:11:05 PM
Quote from: commando1 on April 28, 2012, 03:11:57 AM
I had some shirts custom made with my unit name and my name/rank and Search and Rescue on the back. I like it because it identifies me with CAP even when I don't have my blouse on.
Well, Don't you have to get a new shirt every time to rank up? :P
What is "rank up"?
For 2/3rds of the CAP Membership promotions don't come in 60 day time periods.
That would be the Battlefield/Call of Duty way of saying "promote" :angel:.
Quote from: usafaux2004 on May 01, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
Quote from: Sgt. Fischer on May 01, 2012, 06:11:05 PM
Quote from: commando1 on April 28, 2012, 03:11:57 AM
I had some shirts custom made with my unit name and my name/rank and Search and Rescue on the back. I like it because it identifies me with CAP even when I don't have my blouse on.
Well, Don't you have to get a new shirt every time to rank up? :P
What is "rank up"?
For 2/3rds of the CAP Membership promotions don't come in 60 day time periods.
Every time you get a new rank. You said it had you name and rank on it, if you got a new rank, wouldn't you have to change it?
Quote from: Sgt. Fischer on May 01, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Every time you get a new rank. You said it had you name and rank on it, if you got a new rank, wouldn't you have to change it?
Assuming commando1 is a Senior Member (am I wrong in assuming so?), he or she wouldn't have to get a new t-shirt very often. It would be a matter of years, rather than months like us cadets.
Quote from: CyBorg on April 21, 2012, 02:22:54 AM
There is some CAP stuff available here...but a fair bit of it is unit specific:
http://shop.cafepress.com/civil-air-patrol (http://shop.cafepress.com/civil-air-patrol)
http://www.zazzle.com/civil+air+patrol+gifts (http://www.zazzle.com/civil+air+patrol+gifts)
Some of it is kind of cool.
Ok... I have to admit the WWSD (What Would Spaatz Do) greeting card cracked me up :)
Quote from: Sgt. Fischer on May 01, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Quote from: usafaux2004 on May 01, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
Quote from: Sgt. Fischer on May 01, 2012, 06:11:05 PM
Quote from: commando1 on April 28, 2012, 03:11:57 AM
I had some shirts custom made with my unit name and my name/rank and Search and Rescue on the back. I like it because it identifies me with CAP even when I don't have my blouse on.
Well, Don't you have to get a new shirt every time to rank up? :P
What is "rank up"?
For 2/3rds of the CAP Membership promotions don't come in 60 day time periods.
Every time you get a new rank. You said it had you name and rank on it, if you got a new rank, wouldn't you have to change it?
I know I came through the C/NCO ranks on the L2K books, but I would think that the new books cover rank/grade in the first chapter as well...?
Quote from: usafaux2004 on May 01, 2012, 11:20:18 PM
I know I came through the C/NCO ranks on the L2K books, but I would think that the new books cover rank/grade in the first chapter as well...?
Sadly, no. I had to learn that from my squadron.
Quote from: titanII on May 01, 2012, 11:29:33 PM
Quote from: usafaux2004 on May 01, 2012, 11:20:18 PM
I know I came through the C/NCO ranks on the L2K books, but I would think that the new books cover rank/grade in the first chapter as well...?
Sadly, no. I had to learn that from my squadron.
Learn to Lead covers grade insignia just fine. L2L Volume 1, page 21.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on May 02, 2012, 04:59:35 PM
Learn to Lead covers grade insignia just fine. L2L Volume 1, page 21.
Grade insignia? Yes. But it does not cover the difference between rank and grade.
Quote from: titanII on May 02, 2012, 07:44:31 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on May 02, 2012, 04:59:35 PM
Learn to Lead covers grade insignia just fine. L2L Volume 1, page 21.
Grade insignia? Yes. But it does not cover the difference between rank and grade.
Well, that depends on who you talk to. IMHO, there is no difference.
YMMV.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 03, 2012, 09:33:09 AM
Quote from: titanII on May 02, 2012, 07:44:31 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on May 02, 2012, 04:59:35 PM
Learn to Lead covers grade insignia just fine. L2L Volume 1, page 21.
Grade insignia? Yes. But it does not cover the difference between rank and grade.
Well, that depends on who you talk to. IMHO, there is no difference.
YMMV.
Agreed. Rank refers to the name of the rank, i.e. 1st Lt, Major, etc. Grade on the other hand is that little 3 character code such as O-1, E-7, etc. which determines your pay in the Real Military. LTJG (Navy / Coast Guard) and 1st Lt (everybody else) are two different ranks, but are both the same grade, O-2.
Since CAP doesn't use paygrades (except when you register for an AFIADL course) then in the CAP vernacular it has been taken to mean the same thing.
I was taught that grade=number of stripes you wear or whatever your insignia is (e.g., C/SMSgt or Maj); and rank=position (e.g. Flight Sergeant or Squadron Commander).
Granted I have never heard anything else, so I couldn't really tell you which is correct.
Grade is almost the same as rank but different, at least in the context of CAP.
An example of grade is Captain, or Major. The term is used almost consistently in CAP publications.
Rank in turn is the seniority within the grade, for example a Captain that was promoted last January outranks a Captain that was promoted last March for the first Captain has two more month of seniority.
There is a module that taught grade vs rank, I forget in either SLS or CLC.
Quote from: vento on May 03, 2012, 07:57:51 PM
Grade is almost the same as rank but different, at least in the context of CAP.
An example of grade is Captain, or Major. The term is used almost consistently in CAP publications.
Rank in turn is the seniority within the grade, for example a Captain that was promoted last January outranks a Captain that was promoted last March for the first Captain has two more month of seniority.
There is a module that taught grade vs rank, I forget in either SLS or CLC.
OBC, actually:
QuoteBe aware there is a difference between rank and grade. The terms "grade" and "rank" are used interchangeably but that is not correct. Your grade, for instance, is Lt or Capt or General. Rank is determined by the order in which people of the same grade were promoted. The person who has been in that grade the longest is the ranking officer. If 1Lt Jones was promoted on 15 January 2009 and 1Lt Smith was promoted on 1 February 2009, they are the same grade but Lt Jones is the ranking officer.
Quote from: ß τ ε on May 03, 2012, 08:31:58 PM
Quote from: vento on May 03, 2012, 07:57:51 PM
Grade is almost the same as rank but different, at least in the context of CAP.
An example of grade is Captain, or Major. The term is used almost consistently in CAP publications.
Rank in turn is the seniority within the grade, for example a Captain that was promoted last January outranks a Captain that was promoted last March for the first Captain has two more month of seniority.
There is a module that taught grade vs rank, I forget in either SLS or CLC.
OBC, actually:
QuoteBe aware there is a difference between rank and grade. The terms "grade" and "rank" are used interchangeably but that is not correct. Your grade, for instance, is Lt or Capt or General. Rank is determined by the order in which people of the same grade were promoted. The person who has been in that grade the longest is the ranking officer. If 1Lt Jones was promoted on 15 January 2009 and 1Lt Smith was promoted on 1 February 2009, they are the same grade but Lt Jones is the ranking officer.
And then, to make things even more confusing, pay grade (E-1 through E-9, W-1 through W-5 and O-1 through O-10) is a still different thing entirely.