I have been looking around for the upcoming National Board winter meeting agenda in D.C. and have been unable to find it. Seeing as it is only 2 weeks away, I thought it would be done.
Anyone have a copy or know where I can get one?
http://www.capmembers.com/events/cap_winter_national_board/index.cfm (http://www.capmembers.com/events/cap_winter_national_board/index.cfm)
Item 3a from Feb Minutes.
There was clarification that the only alternate corporate style uniform is the blazer
slacks/skirt combination. There was also clarification that ribbons on aviator shirt is not
authorized; however, former military members do wear military decorations on aviator
shirt on the Fourth of July and other national holidays.
Since when?
Disallow ribbons on the Aviator shirt and you might as well just retire CAP ribbons and be done with it, because at least 1/2 the membership
will not be eligible to wear them, ever.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 17, 2012, 02:05:49 AM
Item 3a from Feb Minutes.
There was clarification that the only alternate corporate style uniform is the blazer
slacks/skirt combination. There was also clarification that ribbons on aviator shirt is not
authorized; however, former military members do wear military decorations on aviator
shirt on the Fourth of July and other national holidays.
Since when?
Disallow ribbons on the Aviator shirt and you might as well just retire CAP ribbons and be done with it, because at least 1/2 the membership
will not be eligible to wear them, ever.
The bold phrase seems to be in the context of the blazer combo only.
LOL.. In scrolling through, when I saw "OPEN SESSION" go by, I had to go back and make sure that really didn't say "OPEN SEASON". ;)
Have to read up on that IG Complaint agenda item though..
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on February 17, 2012, 02:26:54 AMThe bold phrase seems to be in the context of the blazer combo only.
Maybe, and this would support the argument that the Realtor variant is not simply the formalized aviator whites, but in fact a completely separate variant.
One could conjecture from this that the intent is to simply wear a plain white shirt with the blazer, and there's no point or need to buy one with epaulets.
Thank you. I missed the little link to the agenda.
Has there ever been any mention of bringing back the aviator shirt with the Blazer Name Tag? If they take the ribbons away do the epaulets go too?
Quote from: billford1 on February 17, 2012, 03:22:09 AM
Has there ever been any mention of bringing back the aviator shirt with the Blazer Name Tag? If they take the ribbons away do the epaulets go too?
Not publicly, except for CSM's.
This doesn't appear to be a move to take anything "away". I'm betting it's a misstatement or a misunderstanding, because, at least under the current
revision, ribbons are fully authorized on the aviator whites, and I don't see anything prohibiting their wear under the blazer.
Are we allowed to attend the open sessions in person?
Quote from: Eclipse on February 17, 2012, 02:05:49 AM
Item 3a from Feb Minutes.
There was clarification that the only alternate corporate style uniform is the blazer
slacks/skirt combination. There was also clarification that ribbons on aviator shirt is not
authorized; however, former military members do wear military decorations on aviator
shirt on the Fourth of July and other national holidays.
Since when?
Disallow ribbons on the Aviator shirt and you might as well just retire CAP ribbons and be done with it, because at least 1/2 the membership
will not be eligible to wear them, ever.
Where, exactly, did you find this? Found it. (page 27)
I am pretty sure it is referring to Military Ribbons.
Quote from: ß τ ε on February 17, 2012, 06:34:30 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 17, 2012, 02:05:49 AM
Item 3a from Feb Minutes.
There was clarification that the only alternate corporate style uniform is the blazer
slacks/skirt combination. There was also clarification that ribbons on aviator shirt is not
authorized; however, former military members do wear military decorations on aviator
shirt on the Fourth of July and other national holidays.
Since when?
Disallow ribbons on the Aviator shirt and you might as well just retire CAP ribbons and be done with it, because at least 1/2 the membership
will not be eligible to wear them, ever.
Where, exactly, did you find this?
I am pretty sure it is referring to Military Ribbons.
That was my first thought when I read it.
YMMV.
Quote from: spacecommand on February 17, 2012, 03:30:46 AM
Are we allowed to attend the open sessions in person?
Of course. However, space is an issue as there is limited seating for "guests".
If people actually showed up time and time again, I'm sure consideration would be taken when booking the facilities. So if one meeting takes on a sudden, unprecedented amount of people ... don't hold it against 'em.
Quote from: a2capt on February 17, 2012, 02:29:14 AM
LOL.. In scrolling through, when I saw "OPEN SESSION" go by, I had to go back and make sure that really didn't say "OPEN SEASON". ;)
Have to read up on that IG Complaint agenda item though..
Is there something specific you might be referring to? ;D
Some other agenda items:
Item 3 - aircrew emergency course - basically give give 8 hours of classroom instruction and 3 hours of basic flying lessons to non-pilot observers just in case something happens to the pilot. Basically the AOPA pinch hitter course. An interesting item is that there apparently was an incident of this happening in CAP in 2010 and another interesting item is that half our observers are also pilots. I hadn't realized the ratio was that high.
I have long advocated for such a course and I hope it is approved. I found it interesting that CAP-USAF, while properly denying it B-mission status, suggested that it not just be a one time course and that it should be periodically available to past graduates.
Item 7 -- Uniform Change Process. Apparently there is a committee report on this, but it wasn't in the agenda, so it is kind of hard to evaluate this agenda item. But for some reason I think I've seen something about this somewhere else, so maybe the report is out there.
Quote from: RiverAux on February 17, 2012, 09:11:11 PM
and another interesting item is that half our observers are also pilots. I hadn't realized the ratio was that high.
Since 100% of our mission pilots should also be observers, it should not be that surprising. If a mission pilot is also an observer, he gets counted twice when national adds up the total of mission pilots and observers to use for allocating aviation resources.
Not all pilots were ever Observers, nor do all of them choose to maintain that qualification.
Probably even fewer ever wanted to be Observers: 60-1 only requires that they be qualified as Scanners in order to be Mission Pilots. I was a Scanner, never an Observer, and I was a Command Pilot. I often flew in the right seat and functioned as an Observer, although I was not "officially" qualifed as an Observer. I also had a Masters rating in ES.
Quote from: billford1 on February 17, 2012, 03:22:09 AM
Has there ever been any mention of bringing back the aviator shirt with the Blazer Name Tag? If they take the ribbons away do the epaulets go too?
Don't give them ideas! :o
I remember that combo, and if anything it was even plainer, duller and drearier than the current G/W, not to mention that wearers of that could not wear anything they had earned.
Bring that back and they might as well bring back the Guyabera and Smurf Suit.
Then I will be finally convinced that, yes, NB have lost their collective mind.
Quote from: CyBorg on February 18, 2012, 04:06:00 PM
Quote from: billford1 on February 17, 2012, 03:22:09 AM
Has there ever been any mention of bringing back the aviator shirt with the Blazer Name Tag? If they take the ribbons away do the epaulets go too?
Don't give them ideas! :o
I remember that combo, and if anything it was even plainer, duller and drearier than the current G/W, not to mention that wearers of that could not wear anything they had earned.
Bring that back and they might as well bring back the Guyabera and Smurf Suit.
Then I will be finally convinced that, yes, NB have lost their collective mind.
Yet, no one is forcing you to be a member. You don't like the uniform, then leave.
Life's too short to be grumpy, especially if you're paying for the privilage!
Quote from: PHall on February 18, 2012, 04:12:31 PM
Yet, no one is forcing you to be a member. You don't like the uniform, then leave.
Life's too short to be grumpy, especially if you're paying for the privilage!
Wait a minute. No need to be testy.
Most of the time I wear the AF blue uniform...I have since I joined in '93. The only time I wear the G/W is when my hair hasn't been cut in a while.
My point is that we've already copped one shaft from having the CSU taken away for reasons unknown.
If NB would take away the only other semi-reasonable way that we have to look professional, the damage to esprit de corps would be quite significant...and would send the message that unless you're fit to wear the AF uniform, you have to make do with looking like a Realtor.
There are undoubtedly some realtors on this forum who take umbrage at your constant derogatory remarks about looking like a realtor. This is simply your opinion and a lot of folks who participate here may not agree with you. I suggest that you find another derogatory name to call those who wear the blazer and gray slacks. I never owned an AF uniform the entire 19 years that I was in CAP: I always wore the blazer combination and it never seemed to make me a lesser contributor to the CAP mission.
^^It's really hard for me to be derogatory about Realtors...I worked in that industry for several years. I wasn't directly involved with Realtor operations, but I worked for a publication with real estate listings. During that time I got to know several Realtors quite well. I respect them because the ones I knew worked hard. And the ones I knew had a fairly good sense of humour and would have been likely to say "Yuk! I wouldn't be caught dead in that CAP uniform!" :P
I am also not the only one using that terminology.
I also do not recall saying that those who didn't wear the USAF uniform were lesser members. All I have said is that the G/W uniform is barely tolerable (for ME) as it is, and to go back to the pre-95 setup would be even worse.