Interestingly the Vermont wing website
http://www.vtcap.org/squadrons/ (http://www.vtcap.org/squadrons/) Shows 2 geographic locations that have both a Composite Squadron & a Senior Squadron. IF a composite squadron is suppose to have a training program also for senior members, why would a senior squadron at the same geographic location be necessary ???
RM
I saw 2 cadet squadrons at the same location... On that slocate a squadron tool. They met on different days, so I guess they are separate entities.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on February 14, 2012, 03:29:40 AM
Interestingly the Vermont wing website
http://www.vtcap.org/squadrons/ (http://www.vtcap.org/squadrons/) Shows 2 geographic locations that have both a Composite Squadron & a Senior Squadron. IF a composite squadron is suppose to have a training program also for senior members, why would a senior squadron at the same geographic location be necessary ???
RM
Flying club for the senior squadron?
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on February 14, 2012, 03:35:54 AM
I saw 2 cadet squadrons at the same location... On that slocate a squadron tool. They met on different days, so I guess they are separate entities.
The Fort Myers, FL area has something like this. There are three cadet squadrons within the same general area (two in Cape Coral, one in Fort Myers). They are all attached to schools and serve the students of that particular school (at least one being a charter school).
Why do you ask?
Off the top of my head I can think of several ways that situaiton can happen.
I know of a location here in NVWG where three....yes three squadrons meet in the same facility.
How it comes about is sometimes a sorrid story full of drama.
Bottom line.....who cares?
If you got the room and you got the minimun numbers.......there is no law saying you can't have more then one squadron in any one area.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on February 14, 2012, 03:29:40 AM
Interestingly the Vermont wing website
http://www.vtcap.org/squadrons/ (http://www.vtcap.org/squadrons/) Shows 2 geographic locations that have both a Composite Squadron & a Senior Squadron. IF a composite squadron is suppose to have a training program also for senior members, why would a senior squadron at the same geographic location be necessary ???
RM
Could be historical. They were at different locations and later colocated.
I know we have a composite squadron colocated with my senior squadron (in fact, we also house Group HQ)...different meeting nights sealed which one I joined.
Actually in Birmingham, Alabama we have two Squadrons One a Composite Sqdn the other a Senior Sqdn that meet on the same nights within 5 miles of each other. But it was not always this way. In TTBF (The time before Freeways) ther were three CAP Composite Squadrons in the Greater Birmingham Area. These were Bham #1, Bham #7, and Bham #34. One on the Eastern end of the city, one in the Southern part, and an Inner City/Western area. In the 1960's and before it often took as much as 1 hour to drive from one Sqdn to the other.
Shifting population resulted in Bham #7 being disbanded and consolidated with Bham #34. Throughout the late 60's, 70,s, and so on there was a great but lighthearted rivalry between the cadets of the two Birmingham Composite Squadrons. However, in the 1990's declining enrollments resulted in the common sense solution of combining the cadets from the two squadrons into one, and Squadron 34 gave up it's cadets.
At the same time this was all happening, Squadron 34 was having to move. From a school in the 1960's to a National Guard Armory, and then the Good Folks at a local FBO gave the squadron a meeting place. During all this time Birmingham Squadron #1, which was redesignated to Birmingham Sqdn #90 met at the local Air National Guard Base and has remained pretty stationary.
Birmingham Sqdn #34 retained it's Composite Squadron Designation, and there were several members attempting to revive the Cadet Program. However, the SUI in 2010 resulted in a write up that resulted in the sqdn being redesignated as a Senior Sqdn.
Just a short history
Jacksonville, Florida had 3 squadrons (1 composite, 2 cadet) until about a year ago when one of the cadet squadrons shut down. Then again, since Jacksonville is the largest city in land area in the lower 48, it's understandable. I personally would not have joined if I had to drive 45 miles to the other squadron (I know a lot of people drive that and more and I'm not knocking it, but gas ain't cheap) As of Now, I have my home squadron about 8 miles away, a cadet squadron 45 mins west, a senior squadron 45 mins north, a composite squadron 45 mins south, and about 3 other squadrons within 90 mins.
That said, some composite squadrons meet on different nights for seniors and cadets, so what really is the difference? I personally don't think that is ideal, as the cadets then lose a lot of mentorship potential, but I understand that it sometimes becomes necessary due to a growing squadron and shrinking facilities.
Having separate Senior and Cadet Squadrons meeting on the Same evening at the same place I could understand (at the moment). However, having multiple Cadet Squadrons meeting at the same location on separate evenings needs to be changed. Unless the numbers are so huge....something just would not make sense about that.
Quote from: Patterson on February 15, 2012, 04:29:50 AM
Having separate Senior and Cadet Squadrons meeting on the Same evening at the same place I could understand (at the moment). However, having multiple Cadet Squadrons meeting at the same location on separate evenings needs to be changed. Unless the numbers are so huge....something just would not make sense about that.
Why? Consider you have folks who can only meet on Mondays and folks who can only meet on Thrusdays. Which ones do tell to leave CAP? Sharing a facility makes it easier and spreads the sweat equity around.
I remember talking to a NYWG member who told me that his Group and Squadrons all met in the same building each unit on a diffferent day. Can't recall if it was the Bronx or Manhatten Group.
Quote from: Patterson on February 15, 2012, 04:29:50 AMHowever, having multiple Cadet Squadrons meeting at the same location on separate evenings needs to be changed. Unless the numbers are so huge....something just would not make sense about that.
I agree. Cadets once they get rank and a drivers license have in the past shopped around for Squadrons that will give them Command status or similar.
Quote from: arajca on February 15, 2012, 05:15:41 AM
Why? Consider you have folks who can only meet on Mondays and folks who can only meet on Thrusdays. Which ones do tell to leave CAP? Sharing a facility makes it easier and spreads the sweat equity around.
That is true for Seniors but not for Cadets. You will have Cadets go to the Squadron on Monday because they are easy and the Squadron meets on Thursday is by the book. When the Squadron on Monday gets tough about Rules, Regs, etc you will get transfers to the Thursday Squadron.
We all know Cadet Squadrons that have reputations both good and bad. Not judging just saying ::)
Quote from: Patterson on February 15, 2012, 04:29:50 AMHowever, having multiple Cadet Squadrons meeting at the same location on separate evenings needs to be changed. Unless the numbers are so huge....something just would not make sense about that.
Why?
Just playing devil's advocate here.....but what's the problem of having multiple squadrons using the same facilities?
Quote from: Private Investigator on February 15, 2012, 08:09:31 AM
Quote from: Patterson on February 15, 2012, 04:29:50 AMHowever, having multiple Cadet Squadrons meeting at the same location on separate evenings needs to be changed. Unless the numbers are so huge....something just would not make sense about that.
I agree. Cadets once they get rank and a drivers license have in the past shopped around for Squadrons that will give them Command status or similar.
And what is really wrong with that? If they are not being fulfilled in their current squadron....why should they not shop around? The alternitive is that drop out....who does that serve?
^ Catering to certain groups is so very unrealistic for an organization like CAP. Let's say two Squadrons met at the Same location, but one met Monday evening, the second met on Tuesday evening.
Which one gets priority for resources? Can Members be active in both units? Do you conduct joint training. When a member no longer likes the "Monday Squadron", do you allow a transfer to the "Tuesday Squadron"? When you recruit, how do you bring people into the unit, do you put down the other Squadron?
There is no logical or justifiable reason to have Seperate Squadrons at the same location, meeting on different evenings. Before that should ever be allowed to happen, if there is such a huge demand for two meeting nights, then one single Squadron should meet twice per week.
Also, if I approach your Squadron with a group of 15 prospective Cadets and 4 Prospective Cadets and ask to use your facility to begin my Squsdron and conduct meetings the night following your scheduled meetings, do you support me?
I have heartburn over the fact that Senior and Cadet Squadrons exist and meet on the same night as eachother in some locations. Those units need combined, the Seniors that want nothing to do with Cadets can still "keep away from them".
Quote from: Patterson on February 16, 2012, 09:02:13 PMThere is no logical or justifiable reason to have Seperate Squadrons at the same location, meeting on different evenings. Before that should ever be allowed to happen, if there is such a huge demand for two meeting nights, then one single Squadron should meet twice per week.
+1 Guaranteed there's "drama" as to why these things evolved. Drama higher HQ should fix.
I think it would be more efficient to have a single squadron and just have multiple meeting nights. Let people choose which meeting they go to. No need to have two entirely separate administrative structures for them when one would do.
Quote from: Patterson on February 16, 2012, 09:02:13 PM
^ Catering to certain groups is so very unrealistic for an organization like CAP. Let's say two Squadrons met at the Same location, but one met Monday evening, the second met on Tuesday evening.
Which one gets priority for resources?
What resources? Squadron A would get Squadron A's stuff and Squadron B would get Squadron's stuff. If they are shareing other resources (besides faciliteis) then a simple scheduling system could be worked out.
"anyone who needs the building on the weekend must put it on the calandar, first come first serve". That was easy.
QuoteCan Members be active in both units?
With commander's permission you can do that now. Lots of people are active in more then one unit. Mostly at the group and wing level....but I was a member of a Senior Squadron and offically posted as the liason the the cadet squadron (who met across town). No harm not foul, so long as everyone is in the loop.
QuoteDo you conduct joint training.
Sure why not....in fact I would be worried that they were not.
QuoteWhen a member no longer likes the "Monday Squadron", do you allow a transfer to the "Tuesday Squadron"?
Sure...we do that now. SM x does not like what Squadron A is doing he move over, Cadet Y did not get the leadership job he wanted he transfer. Takes 30 seconds in E-sevices. If the member is a discipline problem the loosing squadron commander does not have to approve the transfer....just like someon transfering to the next town over.
QuoteWhen you recruit, how do you bring people into the unit, do you put down the other Squadron?
Not quite sure what this means? You would recruit in the normal way.
QuoteThere is no logical or justifiable reason to have Seperate Squadrons at the same location, meeting on different evenings. Before that should ever be allowed to happen, if there is such a huge demand for two meeting nights, then one single Squadron should meet twice per week.
Logical reason 1. Squadron A used to meet across town...but they lose their facility for some reason. It is a full up going concern. The cut the same deal that Squadron B got for their facility but on another night. Squadron B is a full going concern....Why close down one of the squadrons?
Logical reason 2. Squadron A was a composite squadron, it gets too big for the facility so it either can just meet on two nights...and the increase in leadership and paperwork that intails or it can split into a senior squadron and cadet squadron...still working together but independant of each other.
QuoteAlso, if I approach your Squadron with a group of 15 prospective Cadets and 4 Prospective Cadets and ask to use your facility to begin my Squsdron and conduct meetings the night following your scheduled meetings, do you support me?
Yes. Why would I not? Assuming that you are not poaching my cadet leadership right the bat (and this happens when new cross town squadrons form all the time). We are all CAP, you share the burden of maintaing the facility (if there is any) and I don't know why anyone would have any heart burn. Even if it were one of those "We don't like the way you are running things. So we are taking half the squadron and meeting on Wednesdays" sort of thing.....I a) Can't stop you and b) would probably be happy for you.
QuoteI have heartburn over the fact that Senior and Cadet Squadrons exist and meet on the same night as eachother in some locations. Those units need combined, the Seniors that want nothing to do with Cadets can still "keep away from them".
Again...why? If Senior Squadron C has 20-30 members there is no need to for them to combin with Cadet Squadron D simply for the purpose of combining. Span of control is an important leadership concept. Sometime when things get too big you have to split them up.....just look at a typical USAF wing.
Some things are split by function...Civil engineers, Security Forces, Communications, Services, Logistics, Medical...those things are so big and so different they are split into different squadrons. On the other hand.....the operations group has one operation support squadron and 2-4 flying squadrons. They all do the same thing....why not just combine them? They are too big. It is easer to control four 100 man squadrons then one 400 man squadron.
Now....if you got some anemic 10 person senior squadron and some aemic 10 person cadet squadron....then maybe....just maybe....it may be time for group or wing to step in and combine them. But then again....if it ain't broke don't fix it.
The "I don't want to deal with cadets" issue is another ball of wax that is fixed at the same group/wing level. If Senior Squadron C is not supporting Cadet Squadron D then wing needs to fix that.....no matter where or when the two squadrons meet.
Quote from: RiverAux on February 16, 2012, 10:02:07 PM
I think it would be more efficient to have a single squadron and just have multiple meeting nights. Let people choose which meeting they go to. No need to have two entirely separate administrative structures for them when one would do.
I don't think that is really true.
Once you got to different nights...then your admin guy has to be there all the time, the same for the commander, PD, and other staff officers. Sometimes it may just be easier to just form two seperate units independant of each other.
You don't need the commander there for everything, same for various admin officers. Assistants can be used for those positions where the officer doesn't do everything.
Also, keep in mind that not all squadrons, especially senior squadrons and senior parts of composite squadrons, don't meet weekly. Many only meet twice a month. So, supporting both meeting nights might not be a big deal.
Quote from: RiverAux on February 16, 2012, 10:46:47 PM
You don't need the commander there for everything, same for various admin officers. Assistants can be used for those positions where the officer doesn't do everything.
Also, keep in mind that not all squadrons, especially senior squadrons and senior parts of composite squadrons, don't meet weekly. Many only meet twice a month. So, supporting both meeting nights might not be a big deal.
Oh to a point I agree.
But the commander and senior staff will still have to spend some time with those who meet on other nights...and or meet with their assitants who are doing the work on those nights....so an increase in the amount of work.
And you also have to look at numbers. If you got two 40 member squadrons combining them (and still meeting on two different nights) does not simply double the work.
Quote from: RiverAux on February 16, 2012, 10:46:47 PMAlso, keep in mind that not all squadrons, especially senior squadrons and senior parts of composite squadrons, don't meet weekly.
Another issue.
Quote from: lordmonar on February 16, 2012, 11:14:50 PM
And you also have to look at numbers. If you got two 40 member squadrons combining them (and still meeting on two different nights) does not simply double the work.
Oh, I agree that there can be a numbers issue, but its going to be hard to get "too big" for a single squadron to handle. There is a big difference in work between 50-100 cadets and 50-100 seniors. A 100 member senior squadron should be easy to handle with one admin group. That many cadets starts to be a major drag as they require a significantly higher amount of senior member time to work with. If they're in that category of numbers, several squadrons might be the best way to go.
Every unit in the wing also adds another SUI per charter.
Any finding where the solution is "more people" is fixed by retiring the unnecessary charters.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 17, 2012, 12:13:20 AM
Every unit in the wing also adds another SUI per charter.
Any finding where the solution is "more people" is fixed by retiring the unnecessary charters.
The added SUI work load is next to zero compared to the work load or a large or too large squadron.
Quote from: lordmonar on February 17, 2012, 12:47:55 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 17, 2012, 12:13:20 AM
Every unit in the wing also adds another SUI per charter.
Any finding where the solution is "more people" is fixed by retiring the unnecessary charters.
The added SUI work load is next to zero compared to the work load or a large or too large squadron.
Workload for who? Larger squadrons are simply an exercise in scale, especially in this case where you have at least three Unit-CC caliber people
standing in the same space-time. SUI's are separate processes of inspection, findings, and remediation, and three smaller units are bound to have more
findings than one larger unit.
It simply makes no sense whatsoever.
I guess we should not encourage new unit growth anywhere then.
If the SUI work load is the driving factor on whether a unit should exist or not.
Bottom line. If the community can sort five squadrons working out of the same facility....and those units meet the minimums for being a unit....there is NO....I SAY AGAIN NO reason not to have as many squadrons as you want.
Some people can easily run a small 15-20 people squadron but have problems runnin a 30 person squadron. It is a span of control thing.
Having said that.....if someone wants to run a 100 person mega quadron and meet on several nights in the week and maybe even differnt facilties and they have the manpower to do so.....good on them.
My point is......each location and each squadron is different. We should not be arbitrarily saying "NO.....you can't do that!" simply because we think that it may be easier to do it our way. And we certainly should not be putting limits on squadrons because of the work load of the WING/Group IG.
This is where the thing you harp on, leadership, comes into play.
If the unit grows beyond the ability of the current commander, you replace the commander, you don't seed a new squadron next to it.
And we both know we're not talking here about mega-squadrons. I'll bet a Venti Trenta this is about drama and "Jimmy's touching my stuff" issues.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 17, 2012, 02:42:08 AM
This is where the thing you harp on, leadership, comes into play.
If the unit grows beyond the ability of the current commander, you replace the commander, you don't seed a new squadron next to it.
And we both know we're not talking here about mega-squadrons. I'll bet a Venti Trenta this is about drama and "Jimmy's touching my stuff" issues.
Okay....on one level I agree with you. But WHY CAN'T we have more then one? What is really BAD about it?
Here in Las Vegas we have 3 SEP squadrons 2 composite Squadrons 1 Senior Squadron and 1 National squadron.
And we have one squadron in Hendersen....a suburb of Las Vegas.
You can reach any of the squadrons with in 45 minutes or less from anywhere in the Metro area.
3 of those squadrons meet at the same facility (the national squadorn meets at the same airport but different facilities.
They are all healthy Medium sized squadrons. (50+ persons)
There is no real NEED to consolidate them.
There is no real leadership problems.
Now if one of them was some minumum or below minumum squadron (15 members) maybe I would (If I were the wing king) consider closeing one of them down. But as it is.....there is NOTHING WRONG with having multiple squadrons in one place.
Again......if 15 senior members want to form a new squadron....then they can. It is up to you to show why they can't. END OF RANT.
Clearly they "can", so that's not the issue. However to paraphrase Ian Malcom - "It's not whether you 'can', it's whether you 'should'..."
These units now have three separate finance committees, three liaisons (and risk for "unpleasantness") to their host facility. Three picnics, three banquets,
etc., etc., Further, they skew and compete for things like SOM, Quality Cadet, and they rob each other's members of the experience of an
actual squadron with a real need for flights and indirect management.
If you want to make the case that their critical mass is "too big", then that's a management issue of the unit as a single entity - breaking them apart actually increases the challenges, because instead of a single group with one leader, you have three. All with an opinion, and all with a full "you can't make me" about when they will meet and what resources they will compete for.
They will also, inevitably, compete with each other any time Cadet Bago doesn't like the CC of unit one, he'll be free to shop to units 2 or 3. Tell me that doesn't happen. And a wing inclined to let three units meet in the same place isn't likely to be disinclined to prevent this from happening.
While I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with this, it certainly doesn't make optimum use of resources (absent other circumstances like what lordmonar mentioned). If span of control or quantity of work is an issue, then you need to rearrange your staff. Since composite squadrons have two deputy commanders plus assistants (as silly as this sounds sometimes, it works) and the ability to assign as many assistant staff officers as necessary, I argue that this point is moot. If you have too much admin work, appoint an experienced admin officer to administer an admin department with 1+ assistants. My squadron is only about 30 big but we have an assistant for almost every staff position (multi-hatted though they may be).
Personally, I would rather see multiple squadrons spread out across a metropolitan area based on the membership's location. It increases CAP's geographic reach and it allows CAP as a whole to create more diverse ties into the community.
Quote from: lordmonar on February 17, 2012, 02:36:33 AMMy point is......each location and each squadron is different. We should not be arbitrarily saying "NO.....you can't do that!" simply because we think that it may be easier to do it our way. And we certainly should not be putting limits on squadrons because of the work load of the WING/Group IG.
It is common to have a Cadet and a Senior Squadron in the same building on different nights of the week.
But to have two (2) Cadet Squadrons in the same building on different nights or two Composite Squadrons. That would be interesting to know if one split off from the other or what the history was. Remember when Squadron Commanders stayed king in their little kingdoms forever? I could see how someone decided to take create a "new" kingdom. That makes sense in 1977 but not so much in 2012.
I tend to agree with Maj Harris.
As long as the formation of each unit is aboveboard and not caused by sour grapes on the part of a vocal minority, then having two squadrons may make perfect sense.
I think you would be hard-pressed to find a good commander able to attend two sets of meetings if the squadron had two meeting nights. And, a good commander is going to want to be at most meetings both nights.
YMMV.
No one has yet to explain the advantages to having separate Squadrons (both Cadet or Composite) meeting different nights at the same location. All we have are questions wanting those opposed to such a scenario explain the negatives.
Having two Composite Squadrons meeting at the same location on different days may be possible and some would say it serves a much larger membership base. I would agree.
However, there will come a point where one Squadron gets a better leader, better resources or cooler opportunities for its Cadets. You then begin walking a slippery slope as animosities, power struggles and poaching will be a huge possibility.
I can predict that eventually one of those Squadrons that share the same facility on different days will start shrinking. What do you do then? Folding that dieing unit into the more successful unit at that time will be so much harder than folding them both into one while they are equally successful.
My guess is the higher Leaderhip was weak and afraid of upsetting one or both unit Commanders when it was decided to allow two of the same type of Squadron meet at the same location on different days.
Quote from: Private Investigator on February 17, 2012, 03:55:39 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on February 17, 2012, 02:36:33 AMMy point is......each location and each squadron is different. We should not be arbitrarily saying "NO.....you can't do that!" simply because we think that it may be easier to do it our way. And we certainly should not be putting limits on squadrons because of the work load of the WING/Group IG.
It is common to have a Cadet and a Senior Squadron in the same building on different nights of the week.
But to have two (2) Cadet Squadrons in the same building on different nights or two Composite Squadrons. That would be interesting to know if one split off from the other or what the history was. Remember when Squadron Commanders stayed king in their little kingdoms forever? I could see how someone decided to take create a "new" kingdom. That makes sense in 1977 but not so much in 2012.
In this case.....One squadron used to meet on the other side of town. They felt it more convientent to meet at the air port where there was an existing composite squadron.
The Composite squadron years later split into a senior and a cadet squadron...after a couple of years the cadet squadron rechartered as a composite squadorn.
All of them a full up squadrons of 40+ people.
Eclipse.....a) how is running two squadrons instead of one robbing anyone of leadership. In fact it increases the leadership opportunities...because now there are two commanders, two Deputy Commadners, Two Opertions officers ect, et al.
Sure they all do all those thing indepnedant of each other....but how is this different then two squadrons that meet on opposite sides of town?
As for competing for cadets/seniors.....maybe this is a good thing. Squadron A must have a good program and good leadership or they will leak members to Squadron B and vice versa. If Squadron A is the only game in town....then the choce is Squadron A or the Boy Scouts....which helps the BSA and not CAP.
All the rest of your arguments.....go back to good leadership. The "you can't make me" attitude exists in slingle unit communities as much as it does in entire wings.......(Ranger Bing Anyone?). If a unit is not healthy...then it needs to be fixed and or disbanded.....but a blanket policy of NO YOU MUST NOT DO THIS is simply assinine.
Quote from: Patterson on February 17, 2012, 01:30:58 PM
No one has yet to explain the advantages to having separate Squadrons (both Cadet or Composite) meeting different nights at the same location. All we have are questions wanting those opposed to such a scenario explain the negatives.
a) The faclilty can only support so many people...say 30....at a time.
b) The staff can only support so many people effectively.
c) The community has enough people to support two squadrons and different nights work best for them.
d) Multiple squadrons allow more people to particpate (see number a)
e) More squadrons means more leadership opportuninities.
QuoteHaving two Composite Squadrons meeting at the same location on different days may be possible and some would say it serves a much larger membership base. I would agree.
However, there will come a point where one Squadron gets a better leader, better resources or cooler opportunities for its Cadets. You then begin walking a slippery slope as animosities, power struggles and poaching will be a huge possibility.
I can predict that eventually one of those Squadrons that share the same facility on different days will start shrinking. What do you do then? Folding that dieing unit into the more successful unit at that time will be so much harder than folding them both into one while they are equally successful.
My guess is the higher Leaderhip was weak and afraid of upsetting one or both unit Commanders when it was decided to allow two of the same type of Squadron meet at the same location on different days.
How is this any different then two squadrons across town or in two nearby towns? I will admit that there is some hurt feelings and transfers between squadrons due to "they don't let me do anything" or "I never get to fly" or "I don't get along with commander X" or any number of things...but again....how is this any different then cross town squadrons. We see here on CT all the time, people looking for "nearby" squadrons because their local unit does not fit right.
I have been here in NVWG for six years now...and the three squarons meeting in the same location has been going on for five of them (two have been meeting in the same location for about 9 year now) and yes their membership does ebb and flow....but so does the membership of most squadrons.
Again...with the caviate that the community can suppor them and they get along with each otheer.....why MUST we close down a squadron just because it meets in the same location as another squadron?
Quote from: Patterson on February 17, 2012, 01:30:58 PMHowever, there will come a point where one Squadron gets a better leader, better resources or cooler opportunities for its Cadets. You then begin walking a slippery slope as animosities, power struggles and poaching will be a huge possibility.
I have been guilty of poaching. If I had another Cadet Squadron sharing the same facility as my Cadet Squadron. I will have all your coolest Cadets in my Unit in 90 days. No brag just facts >:D