....couldnt but help but notice, there hasnt been a post in the uniform section since the 1st....is there some great global catastrophe about to happen.......
mk
Hush you!
sorry just couldnt resist.....
move along.....these arent the uniforms you are looking for.....
mk
I thought we'd solved all the uniform issues.
Quote from: sarmed1 on February 04, 2012, 12:27:48 PM
....couldnt but help but notice, there hasnt been a post in the uniform section since the 1st....is there some great global catastrophe about to happen.......
mk
We've been too busy donverting all the other threads to uniform threads... >:D
Quote from: sarmed1 on February 04, 2012, 12:27:48 PM
....couldnt but help but notice, there hasnt been a post in the uniform section since the 1st....is there some great global catastrophe about to happen.......
mk
You didnt get the message? You have to sign up for the premium level membership which isnt free. This will allow you to see the newest Uniform and award posts plus adds a feature to let you block the posts of obvious forum trolls from showing on your screen!!
8) >:D :angel: 8) >:D :angel: ::)
Quote from: RiverAux on February 04, 2012, 01:39:39 PM
I thought we'd solved all the uniform issues.
We did. The one I wear is the "right" one and the one you wear isn't. >:D
Quote from: sarmed1 on February 04, 2012, 12:27:48 PM
....couldnt but help but notice, there hasnt been a post in the uniform section since the 1st....is there some great global catastrophe about to happen.......
mk
I was thinking the same thing.
I think that (for now) any uniform ideas will be, at best, an exercise in futility and chasing after the wind.
Ned, who has more knowledge of the process than probably anyone on CT, has told us that the powers that be on the Uniform Board aren't doing anything right now until they get ready to make suggestions, whenever that may be. Based on what he has said, I wouldn't hope for anything but the status quo.
The Air Force really doesn't care because they haven't designated a person to care between CC CAP-USAF and CSAF...just as long as we don't make any unauthorised changes on our own and as long as they don't hear of any salute-trolling.
Until then, I don't really think anyone up the chain in the AF or CAP really gives a tinker's cuss what you and I think...if they did they wouldn't have canned the CSU.
Maybe someday I'll be brave enough to post my idea for redoing the CAP-specific (I hate the terms "distinctive" and "corporate") uniforms, but right now someone would likely shout there isn't enough grey. :( ::)
If distinctive is what you want, maybe Sheriff Arpaiao in Arizona will sell you some of those striped uniforms with pink underwear they use in the jail. You could use the "sentenced" ones for Seniors and the"unsentenced" ones for the Cadets. ;D
Quote from: jks19714 on February 05, 2012, 12:45:47 AM
If distinctive is what you want, maybe Sheriff Arpaiao in Arizona will sell you some of those striped uniforms with pink underwear they use in the jail. You could use the "sentenced" ones for Seniors and the"unsentenced" ones for the Cadets. ;D
NHQ wouldn't approve them since they aren't grey.
I wonder actually how many wings changed wingkings this year and re-evaualted/changed/forwarded/resigned any of the wing uniform supplements out there.......that may have caused some "changes" either good or bad.....
mk
Quote from: CyBorg on February 05, 2012, 01:22:23 AM
Quote from: jks19714 on February 05, 2012, 12:45:47 AM
If distinctive is what you want, maybe Sheriff Arpaiao in Arizona will sell you some of those striped uniforms with pink underwear they use in the jail. You could use the "sentenced" ones for Seniors and the"unsentenced" ones for the Cadets. ;D
NHQ wouldn't approve them since they aren't grey.
Well, the stripes are black and white, so they would average out to grey... And I think that the pink underwear would ensure that we were distinct from the other services.
Quote from: jks19714 on February 05, 2012, 03:04:25 AMI think that the pink underwear would ensure that we were distinct from the other services.
Especially in low light at a distance ;D.
Quote from: titanII on February 05, 2012, 03:16:48 AM
Quote from: jks19714 on February 05, 2012, 03:04:25 AMI think that the pink underwear would ensure that we were distinct from the other services.
Especially in low light at a distance ;D.
You need the matching bra.
Quote from: jks19714 on February 05, 2012, 03:04:25 AM
And I think that the pink underwear would ensure that we were distinct from the other services.
Not acceptable. It
must be grey to pass muster.
Sheesh are you guys bitter.
Why don't you try and do something about it? play their political game and do something good. Or form a petition.
Or you could storm the NB, NEC, and BoG meetings, and burn all of them at the stake, then replace them with CTers. >:D
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on February 05, 2012, 05:15:39 AM
Or you could storm the NB, NEC, and BoG meetings, and burn all of them at the stake, then replace them with CTers. >:D
You'd probably be surprised to know that we already have members of the NB, BoG, and even the Uniform Committee who are members here. And even regular posters. The opinions expressed here don't necessarily fall on deaf ears. But at the same time, things don't always move at light speed and not every single person's opinion will be accommodated, especially with complicated and highly-charged issues like ironing out (no pun intended) all the issues, changes, grey areas, and possible options and things we could do with our entire closet of uniforms. It takes time. And ultimately uniforms will always be less important than executing the mission.
Quote from: CyBorg on February 05, 2012, 05:11:43 AM
Quote from: jks19714 on February 05, 2012, 03:04:25 AM
And I think that the pink underwear would ensure that we were distinct from the other services.
Not acceptable. It must be grey to pass muster.
But we need to make sure it is visible in low light. Maybe it could be reversible, and have the grey side be made of reflective material or have some velcro on it to slap on some reflective strips.
Quote from: Littleguy on February 05, 2012, 03:47:07 PM
Quote from: CyBorg on February 05, 2012, 05:11:43 AM
Quote from: jks19714 on February 05, 2012, 03:04:25 AM
And I think that the pink underwear would ensure that we were distinct from the other services.
Not acceptable. It must be grey to pass muster.
But we need to make sure it is visible in low light. Maybe it could be reversible, and have the grey side be made of reflective material or have some velcro on it to slap on some reflective strips.
Hey, if you're using NVG's,
everything is visible in low light conditions! ;)
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on February 05, 2012, 05:15:39 AM
Sheesh are you guys bitter.
Why don't you try and do something about it? play their political game and do something good. Or form a petition.
Or you could storm the NB, NEC, and BoG meetings, and burn all of them at the stake, then replace them with CTers. >:D
1. Some of us are still smarting over the CSU...that wound will take a bit to heal.
2. Petition? Who would care?
3. Pylon addressed that quite well.
Quote from: Pylon on February 05, 2012, 05:24:05 AM
You'd probably be surprised to know that we already have members of the NB, BoG, and even the Uniform Committee who are members here.
...and even they can't get uniform policy changed... bwahahaha... >:D
The whole thing moves at a snails pace, and I'm convinced a snail would even beat it.
Yet, they respond that it's not because of animosity, or fear, of MaBlue towards us, and say it's simply because they have not asked.
What are they waiting for, the Big V to actually run out of stuff so they don't have to hear them whine like they probably did over the CSU sell off?
I do recall talking to the Vanguard rep at a wing conference back when they first did the deal, and the thing was all on that separate, osCommerce (opensource) shopping cart with hardly any pictures and marked up prices on the same stuff they sold for the Air Force, and just generally dreadful. (and I thank them for merging the products into their own site, actually ranking us up there with everything else they sell). the rep basically said that they were not used to selling uniform items as they only dealt in stuff that was regarded as one way merchandise. You know what the ribbon, medal, rank insignia are. Uniforms are a whole different deal. Fitting, sizes, modifications, etc.
Yes it's frustrating.
Yes, they probably feel that a lot of people were torqued by the whole barrage of TP US and other ICL's, some of which were rescinded by another ICL. But again, it seems like the "two year moratorium" was like 4 years ago.
Quote from: Littleguy on February 05, 2012, 03:47:07 PM
Quote from: CyBorg on February 05, 2012, 05:11:43 AM
Quote from: jks19714 on February 05, 2012, 03:04:25 AM
And I think that the pink underwear would ensure that we were distinct from the other services.
Not acceptable. It must be grey to pass muster.
But we need to make sure it is visible in low light. Maybe it could be reversible, and have the grey side be made of reflective material or have some velcro on it to slap on some reflective strips.
ANSI 2 Compliant slides. 8) >:D
Quote from: a2capt on February 08, 2012, 06:55:37 PM
The whole thing moves at a snails pace, and I'm convinced a snail would even beat it.
My mother used to say "slower than molasses in January." My dad used to say "slower than a constipated turtle."
Quote from: a2capt on February 08, 2012, 06:55:37 PM
Yet, they respond that it's not because of animosity, or fear, of MaBlue towards us, and say it's simply because they have not asked.
But they do not tell us why they have not asked, and when
we ask, the answer is usually a permutation of "don't ask, just trust us."
Quote from: a2capt on February 08, 2012, 06:55:37 PM
What are they waiting for, the Big V to actually run out of stuff so they don't have to hear them whine like they probably did over the CSU sell off?
Curious: What would they be waiting for VG to run out of? They don't have any CSU-specific stuff on their website any more.
Quote from: a2capt on February 08, 2012, 06:55:37 PM
Yes it's frustrating.
Yes, they probably feel that a lot of people were torqued by the whole barrage of TP US and other ICL's, some of which were rescinded by another ICL. But again, it seems like the "two year moratorium" was like 4 years ago.
"Frustrating" and "torqued off" are understatements, especially when the "rescind CSU" order came out of nowhere, with no reason given for killing a very popular uniform.
Even our respected friend Ned, God bless him, would only say that the different members probably all had differing reasons for voting it out...but none of them would volunteer any of the "reasons," except to trot out the tired broken record of "distinctiveness," which, to quote John Nance Garner, "isn't worth a bucket of warm spit."
I personally give little to no credence to this "moratorium" or that anything other than the status quo is even being considered: modified AF uniform (but with maybe even more grey) for those who can wear it, and looking like a mall cop/Realtor for those who can't/don't.
OK, maybe this thread belongs in "uniforms," but I think it goes beyond that. It's about transparency and accountability from our leadership.
Even General Fogleman listened to the troops in the field when he partially rescinded the Tony McPeak uniform.
Quote from: CyBorg on February 08, 2012, 07:37:53 PM
but none of them would volunteer any of the "reasons,"
It's about transparency and accountability from our leadership.
Well... according to the new CAPR 35-9 ~
" duties as all other members of the Board of Governors. These fiduciary duties to the organization include the duty of care, the duty of loyalty, the duty to avoid conflicts of interest, and the
duty of confidentiality."
So... IMHO transparency is just a term used by NB/NEC/BOG to make us little peons feel better, with the pre thought that it will never happen, and can not ever happen.
Take the boardsource governance study for instance. Paid by member's dues and tax payer money... and its Feb 8th, and the BOG still has not even set a date in which to publish it.