Hello, everyone! I have a slight dilemma. I was emailed yesterday that I am going to be the guidon bearer for my flight, and I have no idea what I am supposed to do in formation. From what I can understand, I will have to stand up near the 1st Srgt, but that's pretty much it. I also somewhat grasp what you do with the guidon during drill movements, so my only problem is formation. If anyone could somehow explain in a little detail what they generally do, I would appreciate it. Thank you for your time, and have a good day.
The drill manual is your freind.....as should your flight sergeant and flight commander.
Quote from: lordmonar on February 03, 2012, 04:30:57 PM
The drill manual is your freind.....as should your flight sergeant and flight commander.
They should at least give him a rough idea of what he is doing. Throwing him into isn't very good leadership.
AFMAN 36-2203:
http://www.indiana.edu/~afrotc/Resources/AFROTC%20Drill%20and%20Ceremonies%20Guide.pdf (http://www.indiana.edu/~afrotc/Resources/AFROTC%20Drill%20and%20Ceremonies%20Guide.pdf)
Thank you for replying, Sir. I did go through my drill guide and am in the process of looking through the manual, but before I ask my Flight Commander/Sergeant any questions, I would like to know a basis of what I am supposed to do, so I can ask needed questions.
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on February 03, 2012, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on February 03, 2012, 04:30:57 PM
The drill manual is your freind.....as should your flight sergeant and flight commander.
They should at least give him a rough idea of what he is doing. Throwing him into isn't very good leadership.
AFMAN 36-2203:
http://www.indiana.edu/~afrotc/Resources/AFROTC%20Drill%20and%20Ceremonies%20Guide.pdf (http://www.indiana.edu/~afrotc/Resources/AFROTC%20Drill%20and%20Ceremonies%20Guide.pdf)
Thank you very much Sir, I will check these out.
..and remember, everyone did it once for the first time.
Quote from: Pomegranate on February 03, 2012, 05:07:33 PM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on February 03, 2012, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on February 03, 2012, 04:30:57 PM
The drill manual is your freind.....as should your flight sergeant and flight commander.
They should at least give him a rough idea of what he is doing. Throwing him into isn't very good leadership.
AFMAN 36-2203:
http://www.indiana.edu/~afrotc/Resources/AFROTC%20Drill%20and%20Ceremonies%20Guide.pdf (http://www.indiana.edu/~afrotc/Resources/AFROTC%20Drill%20and%20Ceremonies%20Guide.pdf)
Thank you very much Sir, I will check these out.
I'm a C/NCO, but don't sweat it, you didn't know.
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on February 03, 2012, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: Pomegranate on February 03, 2012, 05:07:33 PM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on February 03, 2012, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on February 03, 2012, 04:30:57 PM
The drill manual is your freind.....as should your flight sergeant and flight commander.
They should at least give him a rough idea of what he is doing. Throwing him into isn't very good leadership.
AFMAN 36-2203:
http://www.indiana.edu/~afrotc/Resources/AFROTC%20Drill%20and%20Ceremonies%20Guide.pdf (http://www.indiana.edu/~afrotc/Resources/AFROTC%20Drill%20and%20Ceremonies%20Guide.pdf)
Thank you very much Sir, I will check these out.
I'm a C/NCO, but don't sweat it, you didn't know.
Sir is a term of respect. :-\
Oh..my apologies. I will remember in the future.
This will help
Guidon Procedures (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uteflg9wPj4#)
Quote from: Pomegranate on February 03, 2012, 06:44:20 PM
Oh..my apologies. I will remember in the future.
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I was not rebuking you. You are did everything right.
I was guidon bearer my basic year.
FC- Flight Commander
FC: "Who here has guidon experience?"
*Several of my fellow basics raise their hand, but I don't as I have absolutely zero experience with the guidon*
FC: "Cadet Conlin you are now guidon bearer for Echo Flight!"
So I was in the dark with my assigned position all week, and boy, I payed the price for it. :-\
Quote from: lordmonar on February 03, 2012, 08:42:58 PM
Quote from: Pomegranate on February 03, 2012, 06:44:20 PM
Oh..my apologies. I will remember in the future.
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I was not rebuking you. You are did everything right.
That was in response to ExtremePredjudice's post, Sir. But thank you.
Quote from: JerseyCadet on February 03, 2012, 10:30:24 PM
I was guidon bearer my basic year.
FC- Flight Commander
FC: "Who here has guidon experience?"
*Several of my fellow basics raise their hand, but I don't as I have absolutely zero experience with the guidon*
FC: "Cadet Conlin you are now guidon bearer for Echo Flight!"
So I was in the dark with my assigned position all week, and boy, I payed the price for it. :-
That's hilarious, though I'm sorry you had to go through that!
Quote from: JerseyCadet on February 03, 2012, 10:30:24 PM
I was guidon bearer my basic year.
FC- Flight Commander
FC: "Who here has guidon experience?"
*Several of my fellow basics raise their hand, but I don't as I have absolutely zero experience with the guidon*
FC: "Cadet Conlin you are now guidon bearer for Echo Flight!"
So I was in the dark with my assigned position all week, and boy, I payed the price for it. :-\
At Air Force basic training....my TI said "Harris! You're short, your my guide!"
Quote from: a2capt on February 03, 2012, 05:08:25 PM
..and remember, everyone did it once for the first time.
Yeah.... i had to do it at encampment! and that was my first time doing it! :P
The guide for a formation is usually the shortest person availible. Also most folks in ADAF do not properly handle a guide on.
Quote from: Noble Six on February 03, 2012, 08:41:37 PM
This will help
There are actually a handfull of small technical inaccuracies in there..
but it's a pretty good overview
Quote from: abdsp51 on February 11, 2012, 04:39:37 PM
The guide for a formation is usually the shortest person availible. Also most folks in ADAF do not properly handle a guide on.
Actually there is no rule about the guide or element leaders with regards to their height. And those positions do not participate in sizing the flight (well, except front to back).
The best criteria for selecting a guide is someone who can maintain proper direction, cadence, and pace length while marching (since everyone else sets their DCID pace and step off of that person). The shortest person in the flight is probably not the best choice for this role, unless they are REALLY practiced and disciplined at taking proper step and cadence (usually a pretty big step for a short person). The tallest person would be unlikely as a best choice for the same reason (they would have to intentionally take shorter steps, compared to their natural pace length)
The second best criteria for selecting a guide is probably someone who can handle the extra moves that the guide has to do, without messing up themselves, and by extension, everyone else. Including standing in the right place, upon the command FALL IN.
The element leaders should be the people of highest rank (regardless of height)
Quote from: abdsp51 on February 11, 2012, 04:39:37 PM
The guide for a formation is usually the shortest person availible. Also most folks in ADAF do not properly handle a guide on.
Or march, or wear blues, or mess dress/semi formal or a whole host of other things we do in CAP on a more or less daily basis.