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Title: Position changes?
Post by: maurer172 on January 06, 2012, 04:53:05 AM
I was the first sergeant in my squadron, up until today. Now I'm being moved to flight commander. I know that flight commander is an officer position and first sergeant is an NCO position, but flight commander reports to first sergeant. So my question is, is this a good or bad thing??
Title: Re: Position changes?
Post by: lordmonar on January 06, 2012, 06:20:11 AM
Then you don't understand the position of First Sergeant.

The flight commander's (officers) do not....I SAY AGAIN....do not report to the First Sergeant.  The would report to the Cadet Commander or his Deputy/Vice.

The First Sergeant has no one directly under him....and he reports directly to the cadet commander.
Title: Re: Position changes?
Post by: ZigZag911 on January 06, 2012, 07:01:03 AM
Often misunderstood because in some units 1 Sgt receives flight reports in formation, before cadet officer staff arrives (on behalf of Cdt CC), then reports attendance to Cdt CC.

It's administrative function here, not a command role.
Title: Re: Position changes?
Post by: arajca on January 06, 2012, 02:29:37 PM
Typically, in opening formations, the flight commander gives the report to the first sergeant. The first sergeant is merely aggregating the reports to give one, consolidated report to the cadet commander.

The reporting chain, aka the chain of command, for the flight commander is to the cadet commander or deputy. The reporting chain for the flight sergeant is to the flight commander, not first sergeant (another common misunderstanding), with a dotted line (advisory) link to the first sergeant.

When talking about org or command charts, there are two basic relationships:
solid line - report to or command authority
dotted/dashed line - advisory. No command authority.
Title: Re: Position changes?
Post by: lordmonar on January 06, 2012, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: arajca on January 06, 2012, 02:29:37 PM
Typically, in opening formations, the flight commander gives the report to the first sergeant. The first sergeant is merely aggregating the reports to give one, consolidated report to the cadet commander.

The reporting chain, aka the chain of command, for the flight commander is to the cadet commander or deputy. The reporting chain for the flight sergeant is to the flight commander, not first sergeant (another common misunderstanding), with a dotted line (advisory) link to the first sergeant.

When talking about org or command charts, there are two basic relationships:
solid line - report to or command authority
dotted/dashed line - advisory. No command authority.
According to the AFMAN 36-2203 the First Sergeant takes the report from the flight sergeants.

Quote5.3.5. Upon receiving the command REPORT given by the first sergeant, the flight sergeants,
beginning with the right flight, successively salute and report _____ Flight, all present or accounted
for or _____ Flight, (number) persons absent. After all flights have reported, the first sergeant
commands POST. The flight sergeants face about and move by the most direct route to their positions in
the ranks. The squadron commander takes a position 12 paces in front of, centered on, and facing the
squadron to receive the report of the first sergeant. The guidon bearer assumes a position with the
commander. The first sergeant faces the squadron commander, salutes, and reports Sir (Ma'am), all
present or accounted for or (number) persons absent. Without a command, the first sergeant faces
about and moves by the most direct route to the appropriate position.
Title: Re: Position changes?
Post by: ZigZag911 on January 06, 2012, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on January 06, 2012, 04:35:01 PM

According to the AFMAN 36-2203 the First Sergeant takes the report from the flight sergeants.

Quote

Smaller units often don't use flight sergeants, hence the apparent anomaly.
Title: Re: Position changes?
Post by: lordmonar on January 06, 2012, 08:13:55 PM
Quote from: ZigZag911 on January 06, 2012, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on January 06, 2012, 04:35:01 PM

According to the AFMAN 36-2203 the First Sergeant takes the report from the flight sergeants.

Quote

Smaller units often don't use flight sergeants, hence the apparent anomaly.
I would kill the first sergeant position before I killed flight sergeant's positions.