Wonder how others would handle an adult individual who is wanting to/pending transfer to your unit who continually bad mouths/character assassinates the former wing/unit leadership from the border state they are transferring in from ??? :(. As best as can be determined the IG complaint found no probable cause and no action was taken. The individual has not been productive in helping in any way for the 3 weeks of attendance but continues this negative talk, which the gaining unit has absolutely no control over changing the past >:(.
RM
Remember radio....
we are the CIVIL air patrol.... like you always remind us, were civilians and civilians can say whatever they want to. ::)
My advice....don't allow him into your squadron and problem solved.
An adult conversation explaining that you're not interested in the airing of dirty laundry, and what expectations are moving forward.
We've had a couple of members transfer from another Wing who left under controversy. After hearing their side of the story, we decided to take a chance. They turned out to be valuable members who contribute a lot.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on December 14, 2011, 04:20:02 AM
Wonder how others would handle an adult individual who is wanting to/pending transfer to your unit who continually bad mouths/character assassinates the former wing/unit leadership from the border state they are transferring in from ??? :(. As best as can be determined the IG complaint found no probable cause and no action was taken. The individual has not been productive in helping in any way for the 3 weeks of attendance but continues this negative talk, which the gaining unit has absolutely no control over changing the past >:(.
RM
No on has to accept membership or transfers.
Say "thanks but no thanks, we don't think you will be a possitive addition to our squadron."
I say talk is cheap and see what he/she does. I've known lots of people that did not enjoy their previous wing/group/squadron. The best thing that I have found is to simply ask the person what made it that bad and what they plan to do when they come to your unit. Generally, this will stop them from talking long enough to have things change. If not, an old Army .45 works wonders.....
Quote from: GoneAway on December 14, 2011, 09:11:15 AM
...If not, an old Army .45 works wonders.....
Yes, but it generates entirely too much paperwork.
39-2 allows for a membership board for new members and renewals. My unit's membership policy added transfers to that list, too. And we sat the membership board for these things.
Over the years in CAP, I frequently saw members transfer for reasons "other than moving." Having been a member of a "refugee unit" I'm always leery of people who live in Town A and want to leave Squadron A and drive past two other CAP squadrons to go to your unit in Town D. There is *always* a story there, and its usually not as beneficial as we'd like to think to have that member just hop units.
I had a cadet come into my unit many years ago, he lived sort of inbetween my unit and the next unit south of me and was a member of that unit (*and by "sort of inbetween" I mean "closer to the other unit than my unit."*), and he wanted to transfer. Personally, when a member wanted to transfer units and the reason wasn't "I just moved to your town," I'm not accepting the member's CAPF 2A until I've had a conversation with my fellow unit commander, and the member has had a conversation with their unit commander. Nothing sours a relationship between unit commanders quicker than a cadet or senior escaping a unit by transferring to another without the losing unit commander knowing a thing.
And then, of course, there is the reasons behind those transfers if they don't involve a physical move of residence. Is the member running away from something? Is there a personality conflict with the unit? A philosophy conflict?
So I'd say "Does your commander know you're here? No? OK, does your commander know you want to transfer? No? OK, I'm not entertaining any more notion of transfer to this unit until you talk to your squadron commander about why you want to leave."
As a unit commander, if someone wanted to leave my unit "under the radar," I'd really like to know why. If I have a problem in the unit that is causing them to leave, I'd like to fix it. If they are a discipline case, I'd really rather they didn't run off to another unit and cause them headaches, or escape the discipline that is being meted out.
In the case of the cadet that wanted to transfer in, I talked to his CO, and he did too. Apparently he was unhappy that he was being passed over for leadership slots. There were a number of reasons behind it, and we flat out told him that he would have to demonstrate that he was ready and able to assume leadership positions before he'd just become the cadet commander because he was a C/1Lt and my cadet commander was c/2Lt. He was fine with that, and actually was a pretty good cadet overall, and eventually did serve as the cadet commander.
(conversely, the unit commander after me accepted the transfer of a CAP family from another unit without a conversation with the losing unit commander. I had some backchannel intel on these people, and told the commander he should probably talk to the losing unit first. He just accepted their transfers on the spot. The cadet literally demanded to be put into a leadership position on his first night, and his parents were rather vocal about how put-upon little Jimmy was in the old unit, etc. Sadly, little Jimmy couldn't lead his way out of a gasoline-soaked bag with a flame-thrower, and when he couldn't demonstrate self-discipline and self-management as an element leader, as well as some really poor leadership traits, he was counseled by his chain of command. And again. And removed from a leadership position and put on a counseling plan. He demanded to be promoted, and was denied, and given specific performance objectives. I took the unit back over after this kid had been in and out of leadership positions for the better part of a year, and mom and dad literally harraunged me unmercifully about how their son had been maligned by the deputy commander for cadets, the cadet commander, the first sergeant, Santa Claus and the Illuminati, and how I should do the right thing and restore their son's honor and right the wrongs that were heaped upon him, etc, etc, etc. I reviewed the [extensive] documentation in his file, consulted with the deputy commander for cadets and my XO, and told mom and dad that he wasn't advancing until he met the standards and the counseling plan, and I did that with the Deputy Commander for Cadets sitting right there. Mom and dad started squawking about going to wing over my decision. "Go right ahead.." They never did. But herein was an example of how a unit inherited a problem via transfer. If the unit commander had followed the unit's membership board policy, and taken a little advice from the guy who'd been there and done that, a big headache might have been eliminated. Instead, it just caused tons of wasted time and problems.)
While not quite a parallel.. I do certainly get the impression of "Pot, Kettle. Black" here... :o