I had an interesting experience at a bank today.
I was cashing a check and the teller asked for two forms of id.
I gave them my driver's license, pilot's license and my CAP id. They handed my pilots license back and the manager approved my CAP id. I found out the id is worth $99.90.
Who would have thought it?
Did they ask for two forms of PHOTO id or just id?
I wouldn't get too excited. I've used my fire department photo ID and we print those in the firehouse.
Wow, this is big news... ID used as ID! :o
They asked for two forms of photo id.
Yeah, then no big deal. How many forms of photo ID does the average person have anyway? Drivers license for most. But, for the rest who else issues photo id that you carry around? Maybe your employer? So, a CAP photo id is going to be just as reliable, maybe slightly more so, than other forms of photo ID available to most.
Quote from: RiverAux on October 19, 2011, 12:17:33 PM
who else issues photo id that you carry around?
State issued concealed carry permits come in handy for second id. And most holders carry the id even when they aren't packin'.
Quote from: RRLE on October 19, 2011, 08:03:12 PM
State issued concealed carry permits come in handy for second id. And most holders carry the id even when they aren't packin'.
My state won't put pictures on a CCP...it's too much government interference. None of their business. :)
I currently have 4 pic IDs in my wallet - DD Form 2 (Ret), DD Form 1173, CA driver license, and CAP ID. The second one gets me the most bennies. :)
My State, California, does not put photos on our CCW; Its just a little folded piece of paper with your vitals and which weapons are on your permit (maximum of three) I have a Utah CCW permit that has a photo and looks very official. (Why Utah, you may ask? CA does not have reciprocity with any other states) Our CA Private Investigator ID cards look like College ID's......I guess we could always carry our passports... ( affectionately known as the mark of the beast) The only ones who seem to care about the CAP ID is the Gate Guards at Travis, but I suspect I could show them an Al Queda membership card and they would let me through.
Major Lord
A few years ago I lost my wallet in Quantico, VA and was able to use my CAP ID to get a replacement driver's license.
Quote from: Major Lord on October 20, 2011, 02:00:12 AMCA does not have reciprocity with any other states
FWIW, Michigan accepts resident permits from every state that issues them, including California. Part of that whole "full faith and credit" thingy. ;)
The distinction is that although some States will "honor" another States permit, actual reciprocity is a whole different ball game. The U.S. Govt. only views the Constitution as a set of general "guidelines" that they would happily dispose of if they could. Phrases such as "Congress Shall Make no Law....." seem to be a little to vague for Congress to understand.
Major Lord
Quote from: Major Lord on October 23, 2011, 03:57:07 AM
Phrases such as "Congress Shall Make no Law....." seem to be a little to vague for Congress to understand.a whole different ball game.
Your making a partial quote from the First Amendment so I think I'm missing the segue.
I have three photo ID's: driver's licence, NEXUS (pre-screened US/Canadian border crossing) card and CAP ID.
I have never had to use the CAP ID for anything except CAP purposes.
Quote from: SARDOC on October 23, 2011, 04:19:38 AM
Quote from: Major Lord on October 23, 2011, 03:57:07 AM
Phrases such as "Congress Shall Make no Law....." seem to be a little to vague for Congress to understand.a whole different ball game.
Your making a partial quote from the First Amendment so I think I'm missing the segue.
This is just an example of how the Constitution has been largely ignored by Congress in its passing of laws, if I had quoted the privileges and immunities clause "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States" the point would have been less clear . Other more recent examples include the president's submission as Secretary of State in direct violation of the Emoluments clause, or initiating wars without a declaration of War by Congress. ( This has not been a problem with just the current administration) There is not enough room on this board to discuss all the ways the Constitution has been intentionally violated by the Federal Government, but I thought that a clear reading from the B.O.R. would show that the Constitution is now little more than a mission statement to the Fed's, and is certainly not seen as barring them from any actions they see fit to impress upon individuals and the States. The Constitution is written in language so clear only a lawyer could misunderstand it.
Major Lord
Quote from: CyBorg on October 23, 2011, 06:34:18 AM
I have three photo ID's: driver's licence, NEXUS (pre-screened US/Canadian border crossing) card and CAP ID.
I have never had to use the CAP ID for anything except CAP purposes.
CAP should have a specific regulation that PROHIBITS the use of the issued ID card for anything but CAP related activities. Remember that anytime ID information is taken off the card and written on another record, there's the possibility for compromise OR that other agency/company (issuing the card) becoming involved in a matter they shouldn't be involved with in the first place (and will have to take staff time to respond to).
Frankly though the two picture ID provision anywhere is stupid because most people will only have one picture ID card (driver's license or state ID card) >:(
RM
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on October 23, 2011, 03:59:21 PM
CAP should have a specific regulation that PROHIBITS the use of the issued ID card for anything but CAP related activities.
Really more administrative BS?
QuoteFrankly though the two picture ID provision anywhere is stupid because most people will only have one picture ID card (driver's license or state ID card) >:(
This I can agree with.
What information? My name? My CAP ID? My expiration date? My unit charter? What info are they going to use and how will they get into anything they shouldn't with that info? I have three photo IDs in my wallet right now not including my CAP ID.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on October 23, 2011, 03:59:21 PMCAP should have a specific regulation that PROHIBITS the use of the issued ID card for anything but CAP related activities.
Oh good grief.
Radioman......I think a law should be made that a military ID...including retired...can only be used for military purposes and then only on a military base. :)
Shouldn't that be a winky smiley - ;) ?
OK, here it is, so you will understand what "real ID" is per the federal govt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
Note that your CAP ID, security guard/private dick ID, CCW permit, etc. are NOT considered "real ID". They are often considered "supporting" ID.
Each state develops what it considers acceptable ID to do things like have a beer, drive etc. and the fed govt determines what ID is for international travel.
This is not meant as or inviting a "the fed govt. is bad" or "My JR Girl Scout ID card is legal ID" etc. debate, just a legal view of what "ID" is, but knock yourself out. :clap:
In the parlance of intelligence, secondary documentation is called "Backstop I.D." ( Not to be confused with "Id" see: Sigmund Freud) someone running a con or an operation will have multiple types of easy to get ID ( library card, business card with a telephone answering service, pre-paid credit card, AARP or NRA card, etc, plus a dental appointment card and family photos) to backstop his primary ( doubtless forged or stolen) I.D., Although only a rank amateur would have conflicting I.D.'s carried on his person! This keeps the victim from digging too far into the veracity of the primary I.D. ( Passport, Driver's License. etc) You can buy a pretty good "camouflage passport" for around $700.00 bucks, usually from a country that no longer exists using any name and address you care to. Of course, you can get a CAP I.D. for $75.00 and a set of fingerprints, and since most SQ's don't actually take fingerprints, you could use anyone's finger prints for your application. Who would turn down a guy in a Captain-costume and a CAP I.D. to buy a six pack of beer or cash a small check?
Major Lord
Quote from: Major Lord on October 24, 2011, 04:27:00 AM
Who would turn down a guy in a Captain-costume and a CAP I.D. to buy a six pack of beer or cash a small check?
Somebody with at least two functioning neurons?
Quote from: Major Lord on October 24, 2011, 04:27:00 AM
In the parlance of intelligence, secondary documentation is called "Backstop I.D." Major Lord
In my 33 year being a full time LEO and agent, never heard it called "backstop ID"and I done got me some of that there intelligence... Just saying ;)
Quote from: Hardshell Clam on October 24, 2011, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: Major Lord on October 24, 2011, 04:27:00 AM
In the parlance of intelligence, secondary documentation is called "Backstop I.D." Major Lord
In my 33 year being a full time LEO and agent, never heard it called "backstop ID"and I done got me some of that there intelligence... Just saying ;)
I read it in a Tom Clancy novel... >:D
Therefore, it
must be true. 8)
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on October 25, 2011, 01:53:52 AM
Quote from: Hardshell Clam on October 24, 2011, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: Major Lord on October 24, 2011, 04:27:00 AM
In the parlance of intelligence, secondary documentation is called "Backstop I.D." Major Lord
In my 33 year being a full time LEO and agent, never heard it called "backstop ID"and I done got me some of that there intelligence... Just saying ;)
I read it in a Tom Clancy novel... >:D
Therefore, it must be true. 8)
But, does Chuck Norris carry one? It's only true if he does! >:D
Law enforcement is not intelligence.......The nomenclature is different. Cops don't have "false flag ops" either. The term "backstop I.D." is used when creating a "Legend", or an identity good enough to stand up to more than casual examination. It also includes the term "pocket trash", which has a very different meaning outside of intelligence.
Major Lord
Quote from: Major Lord on October 25, 2011, 03:47:09 AM
Law enforcement is not intelligence.......The nomenclature is different. Cops don't have "false flag ops" either. The term "backstop I.D." is used when creating a "Legend", or an identity good enough to stand up to more than casual examination. It also includes the term "pocket trash", which has a very different meaning outside of intelligence.
Major Lord
When I said I "done got me some intelligence" it did not refer to intelligance or counterintelligence (2 dif things) it was me being daft is all.
As to LEO agencies not being intelligence, funny how we had a counterintelligence section in my LEO agency... But then, we were not talking about false flag ops, blah blah blah, we were talking about ID cards and what is considered legal ID and not old "spy speak". And yes I know what pocket trash is both in and out of the intelligence meanings but then, anyone can go online for that info.
I use my CAPID at the airport. :clap: Lots of strange looks though.
Quote from: Hardshell Clam on October 25, 2011, 04:56:23 AM
Quote from: Major Lord on October 25, 2011, 03:47:09 AM
Law enforcement is not intelligence.......The nomenclature is different. Cops don't have "false flag ops" either. The term "backstop I.D." is used when creating a "Legend", or an identity good enough to stand up to more than casual examination. It also includes the term "pocket trash", which has a very different meaning outside of intelligence.
Major Lord
When I said I "done got me some intelligence" it did not refer to intelligance or counterintelligence (2 dif things) it was me being daft is all.
As to LEO agencies not being intelligence, funny how we had a counterintelligence section in my LEO agency... But then, we were not talking about false flag ops, blah blah blah, we were talking about ID cards and what is considered legal ID and not old "spy speak". And yes I know what pocket trash is both in and out of the intelligence meanings but then, anyone can go online for that info.
I am not trying to just irritate you by saying that LE does not conduct intelligence, but the differences in nomenclature are very different. I would rate the CAPID ( or the 101 card with photo) in the realm of "Pocket trash" . Police Intelligence units are notorious for getting into trouble, since the collection of "intelligence" versus "evidence" is much broader. ( I knew a former member of the San Francisco Police Intelligence group ( a former CIA Intelligence Officer) who was forced to resign after ( allegedly) sharing intel with the local rep from the Israeli counter-intelligence group, making him an "agent" . The words used to describe an individual have very distinct meanings in different circles. You for instance identified your self as an LEO, and an 'agent" in one of your posts. Two things that are very, very different. ( Ned will no doubt discuss the other, legal term of "agency", a horse of yet another color) Your Intel group probably uses the term "Agent" as someone carrying a badge, but in intelligence, and "agent" is a secretly placed operative designed to steal intel from the opposition, not an investigator, per se. ( well, our agents are good guys-
their agents are spies..the penalties for both are about the same, depending on who is playing the game)
The importance of how the CAP ID is used for Identification is important. Many might mistake the CAP ID as an official government document, but its just some ID printed out by a guy named "Bubba somewhere in Alabama. To the uninitiated though, a CAP ID and might get you into places a DL might not, so its a good backstop I.D. I understood your grammar and spelling as humor, we have no quarrel in this brother.
Major Lord
"You for instance identified your self as an LEO, and an 'agent" in one of your posts. Two things that are very, very different."
Special Agent GS-1811, a law enforcement position. The intelligence division I referred to was in a federal agency which by my oath and charter, have duties to deter all enemies both foreign and domestic. You do have a point, CIA agents are not LEOs, but take for example the FBI, DEA and other fed agencies, who's agents are LEOs AND, have intelligence missions both here and abroad.
Do local cops have "intelligence" divisions? Sure, but apples and oranges.
The only time I've ever used my CAP ID for anything other than IDing myself as a CAP member is as a second form of ID to buy alcohol at the local liquor store. And they only wanted it to make sure I *had* two forms of ID with my name on it so that I was legitimately the person on my DL capable of buying there. They didn't really care what the ID was, they just wanted my name on something else.
I lost my driver's license on a trip one time, and I got thru airport security on my CAP picture ID.