http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/08/politics/dc-protest-museum/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/08/politics/dc-protest-museum/index.html)
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Definitely the work of the "college know-it-alls"...
College Know it all Hippies (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154822)
Lazy Hippies (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154845)
Call in Eric Cartman!
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Ya know.. if I went 3,000 miles to visit that place.. and they closed it because a bunch of yahoos couldn't find a better venue to complain ...
I mean, come on. You're just pissing off all kinds of people who have NOTHING to do with whatever point you don't agree with.
I'd not be happy at all.
I'm sitting in Alexandria, Virginia right now. I'm sure glad we hadn't planned to visit the NASM during this trip, or I'd be one of those pissed off people.
You can protest Wall Street all day long, but don't screw with the Air and Space Museum.
Yeah, lets get rid on the money grubbing corporations. Oh wait, CAP is a corporation....Oh well back to the college drawing board
Quote from: Eclipse on October 09, 2011, 04:13:22 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/08/politics/dc-protest-museum/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/08/politics/dc-protest-museum/index.html)
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Definitely the work of the "college know-it-alls"...
Well poor choice of venue to demonstrate. Actually drones/RPV's keep American alive in those war zone and any devices we have should be employed.
HOWEVER, $8 trillion spent, over 6200 killed, & over 46,200 wounded is a VERY high price to pay, especially in countries that it is very doubtful that a stable democratic government will ever be formed >:( :( :'(
See: http://costofwar.com/en/ (http://costofwar.com/en/)
See: http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf (http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf)
I say it's time to bring back the military draft in this country and lets see how many of those "Wall Street 'Know it Alls'" will be serving THEIR country and not screwing it for that 'commission' and movement of American jobs overseas >:(
Here's another example of a screw job against dead military personnel by a large insurance company:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/us/30prudential.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/us/30prudential.html) Nothing like taking advantage of the dead veteran >:( >:( >:( Now if that company were really patriotic don't you think they would rise to being a bit better with the return on money ???
Lets face it some corporations (and individuals associated with those corporations) made a lot of money on these wars. Remember that the al Qaeda leader was actually taken down by a small specialized military/CIA team and lots of intelligence work. That's the new warfare, not having thousands of troops in a country like Iraq and Afghanistan, as targets :( >:(
RM
should we bring in the microwave machines and melt all those constitutionalists into one big glob?
bill
Quote from: starshippe on October 09, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
should we bring in the microwave machines and melt all those constitutionalists into one big glob?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.Just Saying...
Quote from: Hardshell Clam on October 09, 2011, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: starshippe on October 09, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
should we bring in the microwave machines and melt all those constitutionalists into one big glob?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Just Saying...
"St. Thomas said that one of the protesters pushed a museum security guard against a wall, prompting another guard to respond with pepper spray to force demonstrators outside."
Peaceably able, yes. This particular incident, wasn't.
I'm not saying that the security guards were completely right, or that the majority protesters were peaceable and merely wanted to be seen and heard- I am saying that the stupid idiots of
any organization or event are the ones who cause news reports.
Quote from: Hardshell Clam on October 09, 2011, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: starshippe on October 09, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
should we bring in the microwave machines and melt all those constitutionalists into one big glob?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Just Saying...
Just saying...what? Quoting the first amendment isn't appropriate here. No one is curtailing free speech, they are curtailing illegal behavior.
Quote from: Eclipse on October 09, 2011, 04:41:18 PM
No one is curtailing free speech, they are curtailing illegal behavior.
In this particular instance, that appears to be a distinction without a difference.
Freedom of expression. I would express my opinion with my foot going up all of their you know whats if I was trying to visit NASM.
If some people's use of grammar, style or expression is any indicator ..
Too lazy to type correctly? Probably can't be bothered to read correctly either. No wonder the appearance of "not getting it" prevails.
The world, or the forum, isn't a radio net, and even then, radio traffic is not presented to transmit in that lazy of a fashion, or a TxTSpekFest, or a moshpit mess.
Just saying...
Liberals
When you build a museum on a public space that has been used for demonstrations for well over 50 years (maybe more as far as I know), you're going to have some interruptions of service.
I am happy we live in a country where people can do this.......some places they run you over with a tank or shoot you.
Quote from: eaker.cadet on October 09, 2011, 07:04:18 PM
Liberals
I'm a liberal... these people are something different. I oppose being overseas, but I don't make a big stink about it.
Quote from: eaker.cadet on October 09, 2011, 07:32:02 PM
I am happy we live in a country where people can do this.......some places they run you over with a tank or shoot you.
That's happened here, too. Read about the [lmgtfy]Bonus Army[/lmgtfy].
Actually a fairly extensive history of the use of the military (usually the National Guard/militia) against demonstrators of various types in the US. Mostly legit, sometimes not.
You have to be extra careful when you bayonet these young "useful Idiots"....you could get cooties on your blade! Its funny to me that these kids are too ignorant to know that the socialist utopian society they hope to create would have no use for them; "Parasitism" is one of primary "sins" against a socialist government.
Major Lord
Eclipse getting on my case, how unusual. OK, so be it so here you go:
I've been looking into "illegal behavior" all my adult live as a full time LEO and after 30 plus years, I have a good working knowledge of what is illegal and what is legal. I am a LEO veteran of various protests from the the 70s right up to "The Battle in Seattle".
These protesters have that absolute constitutional right to be heard and even be total jerks, and I will defend their rights to do so ... However, then they must then accept the consequences of their actions when illegal.
What's your point? You agreed with me, and further, I'm not "on your case"...
Somebody need to buy them a new calender. Theirs still says 1968. ;D
I once read that "student protestors" were just trying to share the knowledge and benefits of their INEXPERIENCE with the rest of us.
QuoteI say it's time to bring back the military draft in this country and lets see how many ...
Soccer Moms take to the streets so their kids don't get sent off to war. If you bring back the draft, then the street scenes of 1968-1972 will look tame by comparison. The main reason the peace movement cannot get off the ground is that no one's kid is in danger of being drafted and sent off to war. The warriors are all volunteers. Try sending little Billy Bob and maybe in this day Betty Sue off to war and the Soccer Moms and college kids will fill the streets. And the Pentagon knows that, which is why the Pentagon doesn't want a draft.
As I watch all this unfolding I can't help but think of how much life is imitating art. How many of us remember the 'Pogo' cartoons of the 1950's and 1960's? Remember the cartoons portrayal of the 1960's college demonstrators? Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything S.W.I.N.E.
Somehow I have some memories of some SWINE in those days trying to keep me away from work one morning at the Washington Navy Yard.
It didn't work. >:D
(an old member of the Military-Industrial Complex, and proud of it)
john
Hmmm, I wonder if in the bowels of CAPTalk there is a thread talking about the crazy outfits worn by the Tea party folks at their demonstrations in recent years?
Quote from: SarDragon on October 09, 2011, 05:47:57 AM
I'm sitting in Alexandria, Virginia right now. I'm sure glad we hadn't planned to visit the NASM during this trip, or I'd be one of those pissed off people.
Why didn't you tell me this?
Apparently one of the guys at the heart of the pepper spray part of this event was an editor of a prominent conservative magazine who admitted he went to it in order to provoke trouble.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/protests (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/protests)
SARDragon: clock, please.
You've all been warned.
Quote from: RiverAux on October 09, 2011, 07:20:33 PM
When you build a museum on a public space that has been used for demonstrations for well over 50 years (maybe more as far as I know), you're going to have some interruptions of service.
Not especially. Protests are a normal part of DC. The main thing that gets stretched is bathroom availability and in huge protests, Metro. SI is open all except one day per year. There's very little disruption for all that goes on.
I guess I missed the point, but why protest at the Air & Space Museum? Other than the technological history held within its walls, it has no connection with the boots on the ground or the aircraft in the skies overseas. I would think the more appropriate places for protesting would be the Capitol steps or the pedestrian area in front of the White House... or is it because those places are "old hat" and they wanted to try something different?
Mike
There was a display of drones used in the wars there.
As I recall, the demonstrators were not denied admission to the museum, they were only prevented from bringing in their signs. The museum is free to set rules. Shirt and shoes required, no beverages, no flash photography, etc. These rules are to protect the invaluable treasures of the museum. There is little doubt that the protesters rambunctious behavior was intended to overwhelm the minimal security of the museum, and as has happened in all the locations where the protestors met, there was property damage and vandalism. (Not to mention people taking improvised showers using the bathroom sinks) Personally, turning these America hating pseudomarxists loose in the Smithsonian would be a major mistake, let alone allowing them to bring in their weapons ( sign sticks-ever get hit with one? I have) spray paint, etc. Free speech is fine, as long as it does not prevent the citizenry from the quiet enjoyment of their own rights. These people practice and advocate violence, and they not only expect to be arrested, its part of their game plan. Game on, says I! Oh yes, the reason they don't protest in front of the White House is that they don't really like being sprayed, TASED, and cuffed.....and I don't blame them a bit for that.
Major Lord
You did see the link about how the "break in" was at least partially instigated by a conservative that admitted he was there to cause problems?