So Google has changed its program and combined Google Apps for Education edition with the rest of Google's non-profit programs.
Now when I try to set up apps for a squadron, I can't because the CAP EIN is already in use.
Now what?
Call 'em. :)
The letter does say "and all subsidiaries" or something to that nature. We can't be the only one that is going to run into that issue.
I really hope that this won't force us into $30/m per member. By that, I mean ALL units using Google Apps...
I was thinking of calling but I wanted to dig out my direct Google contacts' info first.
Was wondering if anyone had registered since this change...
a2...I think that I deleted the e-mail about this. Do you have it? Is that the letter you mention? Didn't find the blog post I saw super-helpful.
There's a revised tax letter that is what the CAP sites offer now, but I have the previous one that I used originally, too.
Both are attached. The 30-Oct,2001 letter mentions subsidiaries and goes on to talk about 990's if you have over $25K, but with the Wing Banker and Unqualified Audits, that all goes away, and the new letter as of this year drops that text, but also seems to drop the whole thing about subsidiaries.
I suspect we're all just a victim of automation at this point because you used to have to fax or email this thing in, and it could not be done online. Now they're doing it against databases and under most conditions there isn't a reason to re-use an EIN. BSA may have the same issue, and other franchise based service organizations.
The last time opened one, it was still submit your letter/proof manually to have it done. My unit account just got transititioned early last week, too.
On a similar topic:
QuoteCAP is an Educational Organization
Rev. Rul. 70-324
The aviation education program of the Civil Air Patrol qualifies as a "nonprofit educational organization" for purposes of the exemption from retailers, manufacturers, communications, and transportation taxes.
Please contact Becky Lee - 877-227-9142 (234) for a copy of the full revenue ruling.
I inquired about Google Sketchup Pro for use in various AE projects and was rejected. Now I see this.. Has anyone gotten any benefit from this exemption?
That EIN is probably already in use 50 times all over the country - we've only had the one even when the programs were separate.
I agree, call them. I will be shocked and disappointed if this is a stumbling block to services which would otherwise be free, but if it is, then
it is time to light up an account for the whole of CAP, retire all the existing ones, and fold them together.
Yes. I volunteer.
I ran into this while setting up a Tech Soup account. I had to submit a letter explaining why the squadron's address was different than the EIN, and why the EIN was already in their database.
No big deal, only took a day or two to resolve.
Quote from: a2capt on September 02, 2011, 03:05:19 AM
There's a revised tax letter that is what the CAP sites offer now, but I have the previous one that I used originally, too.
Both are attached. The 30-Oct,2001 letter mentions subsidiaries and goes on to talk about 990's if you have over $25K, but with the Wing Banker and Unqualified Audits, that all goes away, and the new letter as of this year drops that text, but also seems to drop the whole thing about subsidiaries.
I suspect we're all just a victim of automation at this point because you used to have to fax or email this thing in, and it could not be done online. Now they're doing it against databases and under most conditions there isn't a reason to re-use an EIN. BSA may have the same issue, and other franchise based service organizations.
The last time opened one, it was still submit your letter/proof manually to have it done. My unit account just got transititioned early last week, too.
On a similar topic:
QuoteCAP is an Educational Organization
Rev. Rul. 70-324
The aviation education program of the Civil Air Patrol qualifies as a "nonprofit educational organization" for purposes of the exemption from retailers, manufacturers, communications, and transportation taxes.
Please contact Becky Lee - 877-227-9142 (234) for a copy of the full revenue ruling.
I inquired about Google Sketchup Pro for use in various AE projects and was rejected. Now I see this.. Has anyone gotten any benefit from this exemption?
Thank you for the letters. Mine is from 2003 or something.
When you got transitioned, did you get the full program including Google Grants? I plan to use YouTube for Non-Profits and Google Apps for Education edition for this squadron. I need a procedure for this because I want to include this information in my
Unit Website In a Box (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=13484.msg243872#msg243872).
How long did it take to get transitioned under this?
Are there other avenues for Sketchup Pro, to get approved? I thought about Sketchup Pro but hadn't got there yet.
Quote from: Eclipse on September 02, 2011, 03:12:40 AM
That EIN is probably already in use 50 times all over the country - we've only had the one even when the programs were separate.
I agree, call them. I will be shocked and disappointed if this is a stumbling block to services which would otherwise be free, but if it is, then
it is time to light up an account for the whole of CAP, retire all the existing ones, and fold them together.
Yes. I volunteer.
I don't think CAP is going to go for the $30/member, per year. I don't know that the money can be dug up.
Quote from: JC004 on September 02, 2011, 02:09:23 PMI don't think CAP is going to go for the $30/member, per year. I don't know that the money can be dug up.
I agree, but hopefully we should not have to.
Ah, by "transition" I mean, the more recent migration to the "new" garbage where they are turning all Google Apps accounts into "full" Google Accounts.
As for the amount of time to get the account opened after providing the letter prior to the automated entering and checking of the EIN, took about 2 days max, usually. Most of the time it was the next day sometime no matter when you did it the day before.
Ours took about the same - as I recall they did contact the Wing CC, who just confirmed who we were.
What's wrong with the new services? It made my universe a lot simpler and more consolidated. I don't use all of them, but it's nice to not have to have separate accounts.
The new services are okay except for the workflow interruption it's causing. I was able to be logged into my Google Apps mail, that I got originally during the beta in 2006 when it was called Hosted GMail, and at the same time be logged into my original Google Account that actually had more of my usual docs on it, and since the email address from my Hosted Account was on the Google Account, I could get at everything.
Now with everything becoming a Google Account, I have to constantly switch accounts to do stuff. Lots of stuff kevtches about switching, and I get all kinds of "you can't access this" crud, to where I end up having to logout of everything just to get to a specific thing. Ironically, one being G+ that they 'forced' me to 'uncloak' my original Google Account, for.
The Apps forums are full of ranting about this stuff. If they would figure out a way to merge stuff this wouldn't be such a mess.
Yeah, I've had that issue - I have an Apps account for my personal universe, one for CAP, two for clients I support, and of course an old regular gmail.
In most cases the fixes is just to add myself as a user / viewer / editor / admin in every world and things work "ok", but it can be a PITA sometimes.
Some units within CAP DO have their own EINs...
Yeah. they do..maybe did, for the last tax year. You can see where that July 2011 letter implies that they would be dumped.
Most of them were automatically revoked by the IRS a couple of months ago.