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General Discussion => The Lobby => Topic started by: Eclipse on August 20, 2011, 12:44:10 AM

Title: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: Eclipse on August 20, 2011, 12:44:10 AM
What's the deal with the dual title?

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123268916
http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=9239

(http://www.af.mil/shared/media/bio/fadok_ds3.jpg)



Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: AirDX on August 20, 2011, 12:51:19 AM
Did you bother to read the story?

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Peck's accomplishments included gaining authority to grant doctorate degrees in military strategy, developing and implementing an online master's degree program through the Air Command and Staff College, and offering professional continuing education courses for cyberspace and space operations, Rice said.

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Because of these changes and the university culture of the institution, in 2009 the Air University Board of Visitors recommended to the Air Force chief of staff that the title of the organization's leader change to "commander and president," said Dr. Bruce Murphy, AU's chief academic officer.

Universities typically have presidents, while military units have commanders.  AU is bridging the gap between the two.  In recognition of that, the leader of AU bears both titles.
Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: BillB on August 20, 2011, 12:56:20 AM
AU now issues PhD degrees?? Anyone have an AU link to this program? (I can't fiund it)
Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: NIN on August 20, 2011, 01:15:10 AM
I actually know Bruce Murphy. He's a retired O-6. ARMY O-6.  Take that Air Force! :)

Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: Eclipse on August 20, 2011, 01:40:15 AM
Quote from: AirDX on August 20, 2011, 12:51:19 AM
Did you bother to read the story?

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Peck's accomplishments included gaining authority to grant doctorate degrees in military strategy, developing and implementing an online master's degree program through the Air Command and Staff College, and offering professional continuing education courses for cyberspace and space operations, Rice said.

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Because of these changes and the university culture of the institution, in 2009 the Air University Board of Visitors recommended to the Air Force chief of staff that the title of the organization's leader change to "commander and president," said Dr. Bruce Murphy, AU's chief academic officer.

Universities typically have presidents, while military units have commanders.  AU is bridging the gap between the two.  In recognition of that, the leader of AU bears both titles.

So the Air University is both a military command and a corporate organization.  Hmm...Where have I heard something like that before?
Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: NIN on August 20, 2011, 01:50:27 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on August 20, 2011, 01:40:15 AM
So the Air University is both a military command and a corporate organization.  Hmm...Where have I heard something like that before?

No, its not a corporate organization, its an educational institution.

Educational institutions have Presidents, Provosts, Chief Academic Officers, Deans, etc.

Military units have Commanders, Vice Commanders, Operations Officers, Flight Commanders, etc.

AU is attempting to couch its organization, outwardly, into a language that is commonly understood in academia, so that its product, its academic product, is universally understood and accepted in the academic world.

EDIT: BTW, if I recall correctly, having gone thru an accreditation authority's site visit and program review, there are certain requirements for staffing and such of an academic institution to satisfy the accreditation boards and to receive accreditation as an institution of higher learning.  You can't just hang a sign out on LeMay Plaza saying "Air University" and handing out Masters and PhD's that mean anything unless you have the accreditation to back it up.
Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: Eclipse on August 20, 2011, 01:52:28 AM
A lot of them also have Boards of Governors...
Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: NIN on August 20, 2011, 01:59:00 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on August 20, 2011, 01:52:28 AM
A lot of them also have Boards of Governors...

Just to be pedantic:  Most have Board of Trustees (especially private, non-profit schools).  Board of Governors are often found at "public non-profits" (oooh, imagine that).

The AU actually has a Board of Visitors.

My good friend Dr. Stephen Fritz sits on the AU Board of Visitors (that's how I know Dr. Murphy, through Steve).

Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: JC004 on August 20, 2011, 02:34:36 AM
Quote from: NIN on August 20, 2011, 01:59:00 AM
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The AU actually has a Board of Visitors.
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Can I join this thing if I go visit them in person?
Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: Eclipse on August 20, 2011, 02:54:08 AM
Quote from: JC004 on August 20, 2011, 02:34:36 AM
Quote from: NIN on August 20, 2011, 01:59:00 AM
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The AU actually has a Board of Visitors.
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Can I join this thing if I go visit them in person?

Only if you're bored.
Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: NIN on August 20, 2011, 03:39:56 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on August 20, 2011, 02:54:08 AM
Quote from: JC004 on August 20, 2011, 02:34:36 AM
Quote from: NIN on August 20, 2011, 01:59:00 AM
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The AU actually has a Board of Visitors.
...

Can I join this thing if I go visit them in person?

Only if you're bored.

Bazinga.
Title: Re: New commander, president takes over Air University
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on August 27, 2011, 05:48:38 PM
Quote from: BillB on August 20, 2011, 12:56:20 AM
AU now issues PhD degrees?? Anyone have an AU link to this program? (I can't fiund it)

Several years ago this changed for the the Top 3 (Air, War, Naval College) IIRC
Only for the in residence courses and recipients were required to have a Masters completed prior.