I have been a member of CAP since 1997 working my way up to a C/2d Lt then SM Capt.
I recently let my membership lapse. I am wondering if I should renew as a Capt or start over as a SM"WOG" and work my way up from the ground.
This comes after a Squadron I was a member of lost my personnel folder and a former commander when transfering me to Patron Status deleted all my Senior Specialty Track ratings and I have no paperwork to prove anything other then Encampment, ECI 13 and my Mitchell Award.
How long was the lapse?
If less than 2 years you should be able to reup and resume your previous grade with no recourse from former commanders.
Would you be going to the same unit? Someone benevolent to your cause should be able to recreate your records and
reinstate things you earned fairly easily.
A Captain with a completed LII and ECI 13 is bound to have done specialty work as well, and reinstatement of those is on his say-so.
Not much point in giving up what you earned because someone lost your records and played games online.
You're showing a good example why members should keep a copy of everything important.
I would say renew as a Capt. You did the work and have earned the grade. Regarding the other parts of your personnel file, work through the chain of command. You never know what reports might have been pulled by Group/Wing staff that could document what was deleted. There are several reports I pull as a Group officer and since disk space is basically free I have a few years of old reports. And, I don't know what National has access to that doesn't appear in the production version of e-Services, so they may be able to pull some of it, too.
How long was this lapse? As recently as this March you were assigned a new staff position in a unit. That's not even 6 months out from today.
That said, based on previous experience, maybe a fresh start would be good to re-learn the basics.
My membership lapsed in June as I was unable to pay for it at the time.
My option is to go back to the unit that lost my records (the SQ/CC remembers giving them to the Personnel Officer but the Personnel Officer swears she never got them). This is the unit I joined originally in 1997 as a cadet.
Or go to a Squadron that is an hour away that feels that even if you transfer in to their unit as a CAP Lt Col with master ratings and Level 5 you should be striped of that and start out at the bottom.
uhmmm? just renew....... put in a request for transfer to patron status; then shop units.
QuoteOr go to a Squadron that is an hour away that feels that even if you transfer in to their unit as a CAP Lt Col with master ratings and Level 5 you should be striped of that and start out at the bottom.
Is that even possible? I dont think a commander can strip you of rank/PD accomplishmwnt w/o cause......maybe I missed that in the regs
mk
Quote from: sarmed1 on August 20, 2011, 12:57:17 AM
uhmmm? just renew....... put in a request for transfer to patron status; then shop units.
QuoteOr go to a Squadron that is an hour away that feels that even if you transfer in to their unit as a CAP Lt Col with master ratings and Level 5 you should be striped of that and start out at the bottom.
Is that even possible? I dont think a commander can strip you of rank/PD accomplishmwnt w/o cause......maybe I missed that in the regs
mk
Its not that I know of. However that is how they feel and will treat you like your new to CAP even if you have like me 14 years under your belt.
That commander sounds like a smackwad.
Quote from: Hill CAP on August 19, 2011, 11:31:03 PM
My membership lapsed in June as I was unable to pay for it at the time.
My option is to go back to the unit that lost my records (the SQ/CC remembers giving them to the Personnel Officer but the Personnel Officer swears she never got them). This is the unit I joined originally in 1997 as a cadet.
Or go to a Squadron that is an hour away that feels that even if you transfer in to their unit as a CAP Lt Col with master ratings and Level 5 you should be striped of that and start out at the bottom.
Just call NHQ and renew your membership. Do it soon so that you don't have to repeat anything. Then, if I were you, I'd quickly transfer to another unit. Losing a person's record so quickly is very suspicious.
Some squadron commander......
Quote from: flyboy1 on August 20, 2011, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: Hill CAP on August 19, 2011, 11:31:03 PM
My membership lapsed in June as I was unable to pay for it at the time.
My option is to go back to the unit that lost my records (the SQ/CC remembers giving them to the Personnel Officer but the Personnel Officer swears she never got them). This is the unit I joined originally in 1997 as a cadet.
Or go to a Squadron that is an hour away that feels that even if you transfer in to their unit as a CAP Lt Col with master ratings and Level 5 you should be striped of that and start out at the bottom.
Just call NHQ and renew your membership. Do it soon so that you don't have to repeat anything. Then, if I were you, I'd quickly transfer to another unit. Losing a person's record so quickly is very suspicious.
Some squadron commander......
What he said. Stay under the 6 months mark so you don't have to do a new fingerprint card - less hassle.
Quote from: flyboy1 on August 20, 2011, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: Hill CAP on August 19, 2011, 11:31:03 PM
My membership lapsed in June as I was unable to pay for it at the time.
My option is to go back to the unit that lost my records (the SQ/CC remembers giving them to the Personnel Officer but the Personnel Officer swears she never got them). This is the unit I joined originally in 1997 as a cadet.
Or go to a Squadron that is an hour away that feels that even if you transfer in to their unit as a CAP Lt Col with master ratings and Level 5 you should be striped of that and start out at the bottom.
Losing a person's record so quickly is very suspicious.
Some squadron commander......
I can not blame the Squadron Commander I believe him way before I believe the Personnel Officer. Considering I have other members that witnessed the Squadron Commander give the Personnel Officer the records.
Was none of this info entered on e-services, etc?
My Specialty tracks where however a former squadron commander in Florida deleted those tracks and according to NHQ unless I have paperwork proving my spec. tracks they can not be re-entered at the Senior or Tech Rating. I lost Admin, Personnel, DDR, and CP Senior Ratings and a Tech in ES
I would hope that eservices would keep track of changes made in individual records and who authorized them. If such items are subject to deletion at the whim of a squadron commander then we've got a major security gap in this system.
Quote from: RiverAux on August 20, 2011, 08:52:24 PM
I would hope that eservices would keep track of changes made in individual records and who authorized them. If such items are subject to deletion at the whim of a squadron commander then we've got a major security gap in this system.
I agree...
There isn't a reason for the info to be deleted, unless it was an error/ you get removed from CAP.
They should keep backups, and changelogs.
The question again, is what motive would there be do delete everything.
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on August 20, 2011, 09:54:21 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 20, 2011, 08:52:24 PM
I would hope that eservices would keep track of changes made in individual records and who authorized them. If such items are subject to deletion at the whim of a squadron commander then we've got a major security gap in this system.
I agree...
There isn't a reason for the info to be deleted, unless it was an error/ you get removed from CAP.
They should keep backups, and changelogs.
They do, it's how I was able to prove the date that a previous squadron commander accidentally deleted my ES specialty track.
Something else I do periodically, besides keep originals of any paperwork, 2A's, and such is print to PDF, my eServices record, and stick it in gmail, plus also keep it locally.
Quote from: a2capt on August 20, 2011, 11:02:31 PM
Something else I do periodically, besides keep originals of any paperwork, 2A's, and such is print to PDF, my eServices record, and stick it in gmail, plus also keep it locally.
Good advice.
Just recently, I've started printing out eservices records, too, and placing them in my personally-maintained personnel file. I'm also converting them to PDF or XML files.
I started the practice because some of the dates for past duty positions in eservices inexplicably changed, crediting me with shorter periods of service than actually performed. I discovered that I didn't have any hard copy documentation for making corrections. I'd hate to have the same problem occur with my ops quals and other eservices records not normally maintained in a hard copy personnel file.
Quote from: usafaux2004 on August 20, 2011, 08:07:03 PM
Was none of this info entered on e-services, etc?
It was and NHQ can show me who deleted them and what day they deleted it however they will not provide the info to re-instate the tracks.
The Sq Commander will not reinstate them unless he can find it in my 201 file which is missing.
You must have burned a lot of bridges, if two months out no one is willing to help out.
I have been fighting this battle with the specialty tracks for all most a year now.
The commander of the unit I was in when I was in Northern WV was going to work on it but my membership has lapsed and I have had a work transfer since. There is no use in joining a unit 3 hours away that meets at 6pm on a Tuesday by the time I get off work and make it to the meeting I would get there in time to turn around and drive home.
Its not that I have burned bridges according to NHQ the only way to reinstate tracks is to show documented proof of said track to my current unit commander. However no one at national has offered to assist me with showing where they was deleted they just tell me who deleted them.
Your situation clearly has a high degree of drama, regardless of who induced it.
Your first step is to renew, that will show you from there what you have left and what is "missing".
Renew... and if you kept emails outlining any requests or notifications of completion on these specialty tracks. Sometimes conversations can help someone "remember" what they did.. If you still are a member of that unit, (expired, I know), but there may still be something that requires them to keep your record for XX amount of time, which surely has not passed. Perhaps a bit of regulatory nudging might make it easier for them to "remember" and just cooperate and this whole thing will .. go away by defacto that your record is restored and you are not in their unit anymore.
FWIW, I've had members lapse and their info disappeared from e-Services. As soon as they renewed, stuff from 10 years ago showed up in e-Services.