Every once in awhile I hear somebody saying that they may not "renew." Even then, they have a grace period to renew, BUT what would happen if a squadron or even a group commander chose not to renew their membership? For example, let's pretend that the squadron commander's membership would expire at the end of this month (e.g. August 31, 2011). If the commander has not renewed yet, who would lead the squadron on September 1, 2011? Similarly, do duty assignments expire when any other member expires from eServices? What would happen if 30-90 days later the expired member then decided to "renew" via eServices? E.g., would their duties be reinstated, etc?
I thought this would be very interesting. Has anyone had any experiences with something like this? It puzzles me, and some of this might even effect our squadron in the near future.
Thanks!
If a Sq. CC were to expire, then the CV or one of the Deputies would run the Sq. until the Wg. CC decided on a permanant replacement or the Sq. CC renewed within their grace period.
And I believe, but I could be wrong, that all of your current duty positions are automatically reinstated upon renewal as long as it is within the grace period. Note that you would retain your grade and specialty track ratings if you renew within two years.
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
Medic-
I bet a squadron commander who quit would find that even if the automatic system tried to re-instate them that their group or wing commander would be changing that order asap.
Quote from: MICT1362 on August 06, 2011, 10:54:21 PM
If a Sq. CC were to expire, then the CV or one of the Deputies would run the Sq. until the Wg. CC decided on a permanant replacement or the Sq. CC renewed within their grace period.
And I believe, but I could be wrong, that all of your current duty positions are automatically reinstated upon renewal as long as it is within the grace period. Note that you would retain your grade and specialty track ratings if you renew within two years.
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
Medic-
There is no CV at the squadron level.
I do know that around here, the Wing CC pays attention to the membership expiration dates of key players, like squadron commanders, and follows up with those getting close.
Squadron and Group CC's who expire drop off the roster, and when you look for a duty assignment of "Commander" for that respective charter, you find that there isn't one.
When they renew they are reinstated immediately.
I've had more than one with 12 "dog ate my homework" excuses as to why he didn't renew on time, and once renewed, was back as the CC immediately.
Thanks everyone for posting your comments. Your observations and insight have been very helpful. I'm guessing that for some units this happens quite often and for other units this happens not so much.
I suppose if an eServices duty of an expired member gets reassigned and the expired member then subsequently renews, the system knows that the position is reassigned, OR, might it make one of the members involved an assistant?
I'm also wondering, if you have a major duty assignment that would be accessed by a SQ CC in eServices (e.g. a promotion), would a Deputy have the same authority in eServices, or would you have to snail process something like that? For example, complete a promotion action form via paper, let a Deputy sign it and then FWD it up the chain. This would be a pain and a bit unfair for a 1LT promotion who was deserving, right, but if eServices didn't work, I'm not sure what else you could do but wait for a change from the GP CC in a situation like this?
Thanks again!
For most permissions in eServices a WSA can assign them to an additional individual. However, yes, a Deputy Commander does indeed have nearly the same access as the Commander, especially key functional things like promotions and transfers.
AS a WingDP, I had to several times ask the Wing Commander who the new Squadron Commander was at XX squadron. Usually resulted in a quick and short discussion which resulted in a renewal over the phone. (this was before computer renewals were available).
I was also in a Squadron where the Squadron Commander expired and despite sending the required paperwork, for new commander to Group no action was done for several months, until an email to the Wing Commander asked why the paperwork hadn't been signed and sent on to National.
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on August 07, 2011, 01:57:44 PM
For most permissions in eServices a WSA can assign them to an additional individual. However, yes, a Deputy Commander does indeed have nearly the same access as the Commander, especially key functional things like promotions and transfers.
Only the position specifically entitled "Deputy Commander" has those permissions. "Deputy Commander for Seniors" and "Deputy Commander for Cadets" doesn't have that access by default.
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on August 07, 2011, 08:13:38 PM
Quote from: Tim Medeiros on August 07, 2011, 01:57:44 PM
For most permissions in eServices a WSA can assign them to an additional individual. However, yes, a Deputy Commander does indeed have nearly the same access as the Commander, especially key functional things like promotions and transfers.
Only the position specifically entitled "Deputy Commander" has those permissions. "Deputy Commander for Seniors" and "Deputy Commander for Cadets" doesn't have that access by default.
When I was a DCC my commander found it easier to also assign me as DC to get the permissions needed.