Interestingly renewed 6/1/2011, didn't have ID card on 6/30 so called HQ Customer service (0855 hrs local), asked to wait a week. Called again on 7/7/11 (0908 hrs local), stated they'd get another card out (since apparently I didn't get the first one) ID card arrived 7/11/2011. Said something about some problems with ID cards from the vendor.
I was happy with customer service, "service", they answered the phone on the 2nd ring and the 2nd time sent me another card. :clap: Not so sure CAP's ID card vendor is doing that great of a job. :(
Actually the photo ID card doesn't look too bad (I guess my photo must have been current enough) -- Don't use it anywhere except for a CAP required activity, definitely not for base entry. Will have to ask our commander if security forces have received a briefing on the new ID card. Anyone know what that bar code is for?
RM
Unless it's changed the barcode is your CAPID.
Correct. It contains only the numbers.
Any smartphone can decode it.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on July 17, 2011, 06:06:49 PMActually the photo ID card doesn't look too bad (I guess my photo must have been current enough) -- Don't use it anywhere except for a CAP required activity, definitely not for base entry.
Right
My photo makes me look like a prisoner in a gulag(alright, a well fed prisoner), but i can't complain since I took it myself with a cell phone. ;D
CAP ID card works great for base entry at Nellis.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 17, 2011, 08:11:03 PM
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on July 17, 2011, 06:06:49 PMActually the photo ID card doesn't look too bad (I guess my photo must have been current enough) -- Don't use it anywhere except for a CAP required activity, definitely not for base entry.
Right
That's because I'm a retired military officer who is also a CAP member. I've been entering the military base for many, many years BEFORE rejoining CAP, so security knows me as a retiree (and of course they see the golf shirt with the CAP name/emblem so they also know I'm in
Civil Air Patrol :angel:). HOWEVER, it is possible in certain operational circumstances, that the CAP ID card could be the primary entry card to the base, so it should always be carried, and be up to date with an appropriate photo.
RM
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on July 18, 2011, 12:22:40 AMThat's because I'm a retired military officer who is also a CAP member. I've been entering the military base for many, many years BEFORE rejoining CAP, so security knows me as a retiree (and of course they see the golf shirt with the CAP name/emblem so they also know I'm in Civil Air Patrol .
That's not the point and you know it, the 'tone in your message was one that you would never use your CAP ID for base entry as if there was something
wrong with that conceptually.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on July 18, 2011, 12:22:40 AM
HOWEVER, it is possible in certain operational circumstances, that the CAP ID card could be the primary entry card to the base, so it should always be carried, and be up to date with an appropriate photo.
"Certain Operational Circumstances? Gee-zus.
Do what you will, but don't infer people conducting normal business on a base as members are somehow breaking regs, laws, or protocol.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 18, 2011, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on July 18, 2011, 12:22:40 AMThat's because I'm a retired military officer who is also a CAP member. I've been entering the military base for many, many years BEFORE rejoining CAP, so security knows me as a retiree (and of course they see the golf shirt with the CAP name/emblem so they also know I'm in Civil Air Patrol .
That's not the point and you know it, the 'tone in your message was one that you would never use your CAP ID for base entry as if there was something
wrong with that conceptually.
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on July 18, 2011, 12:22:40 AM
HOWEVER, it is possible in certain operational circumstances, that the CAP ID card could be the primary entry card to the base, so it should always be carried, and be up to date with an appropriate photo.
"Certain Operational Circumstances? Gee-zus.
Do what you will, but don't infer people conducting normal business on a base as members are somehow breaking regs, laws, or protocol.
Perhaps you are geared to always misunderstanding me ::) :o. It's fine for CAP senior members, not associated with the military to use their CAP ID cards for appropriate/legitimate entry into a military installation, usually because of a CAP activity (such as a regular meeting) or to visit the base exchange/uniform store to purchase authorized uniforms and accessories.
My second statement regarding "certain operational circumstances' is true, unfortunately, I cannot elaborate further to you on this, so I guess I've become a 'secret squirrel' ;)
RM
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on July 18, 2011, 12:52:48 AMPerhaps you are geared to always misunderstanding me It's fine for CAP senior members, not associated with the military to use their CAP ID cards for appropriate/legitimate entry into a military installation, usually because of a CAP activity (such as a regular meeting) or to visit the base exchange/uniform store to purchase authorized uniforms and accessories.
No, your tone and statements nearly always downplay or call into question CAP's relative status with the military, including insinuating that CAP is somehow "second" in stature to other services, and that those who properly wear the USAF-Style uniforms are somehow wannabees.
No one is misunderstanding anything.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 18, 2011, 02:31:03 AM
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on July 18, 2011, 12:52:48 AMPerhaps you are geared to always misunderstanding me It's fine for CAP senior members, not associated with the military to use their CAP ID cards for appropriate/legitimate entry into a military installation, usually because of a CAP activity (such as a regular meeting) or to visit the base exchange/uniform store to purchase authorized uniforms and accessories.
No, your tone and statements nearly always downplay or call into question CAP's relative status with the military, including insinuating that CAP is somehow "second" in stature to other services, and that those who properly wear the USAF-Style uniforms are somehow wannabees.
No one is misunderstanding anything.
Hmm, if the AF is OK with senior adult members wearing appropriate AF style uniforms, with appropriate "distinctiveness" and meeting appropriate grooming standards and modified weight standards, that's OK with me. As long as the uniform is worn within the appropriate CAP & AF regulations, and CAP members do not attempt to or accept any (mistaken) favors due to the public's inability properly identify military members. That's a pretty simple stance isn't it ???
Civil Air Patrol is not a military service. CAP member's ARE NOT in the Air Force; and the appropriate AF Regulations on CAP specifically stated this and indicate what we are and what we can do (and what we can't do). I think lst AF is more interested in what missions we can perform for them, rather than what uniform the membership is wearing while performing those assigned mission.
As far as the CAP ID cards, as most members know, the AF has determined what CAP ID cards will look like, so there will be no confusion with military ID cards. Entry to military installations is determine by appropriate base policy. I highly doubt that most active/reserve/guard/retired military members (who are also Civil Air Patrol members) are using their CAP ID cards for entry into military installations, because many times the individual is not just there on CAP business. I get my gas and visit the BX weekly, so that really isn't a CAP function. I do stop in to the unit's facilities before I leave the base to check some things in the building.
I am very dedicated to Civil Air Patrol, and it is my main volunteer effort, and I spend a lot of time on it. Maybe too much time, BUT I am very impressed with some of senior members, and also some cadets accomplishments as they've found their way in life and are pressing forward, likely to success :clap:
RM
Quote from: RADIOMAN015 on July 18, 2011, 03:24:56 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 18, 2011, 02:31:03 AM
No one is misunderstanding anything.
[snip] As long as the uniform is worn within the appropriate CAP & AF regulations, and CAP members do not attempt to or accept any (mistaken) favors due to the public's inability properly identify military members. That's a pretty simple stance isn't it ???[~snip]
Simple stance, yes. But when you add the fact that you generally imply most CAP members ARE purposely trying to get favors by wearing the uniform...