I mentioned the KILT in another thread,just curious has any person here seen a person wear a KILT with a CAP uniform? I know its not authorized but I have seen many unauthorized things in CAP when it comes to uniforms. I remember a officer at NSC who wore a kilt at the graduation diner but did not wear any CAP uniform articles with it.
I know that the military and police departments have bagpipe "groups" (for lack of a better term) that wear kilts for special ceremonies, etc when/where they're playing bagpipes. But to my knowledge there is nothing like that in CAP. maybe the guy was just wearing a kilt to, you know, wear a kilt :o ;D
I might have seen such a thing, but since it is not authorized I'm having a little trouble remembering exactly. 8)
As a member if The Scottish-American Military Society (http://www.s-a-m-s.org/), I spend a fair amount of time in a uniform that includes a kilt.
Although it would be wrong, if someone were determined to wear a kilt in direct violation of the regulations, I would recommend one of the USAF Tartans (http://www.scottishtartans.org/USAF.htm) or even a USAF Tartan SportKilt (http://www.sportkilt.com/product/1351/Kilt---US-Air-Force-Sport-Kilt-(U).html).
Looks pretty spiffy in the USAF Uniform:
(http://usafdrumcorps.us/pipeband/images/Lucas.jpg)
Just sayin'
Ned Lee
Quote from: Ned on June 29, 2011, 08:39:50 PM
I might have seen such a thing, but since it is not authorized I'm having a little trouble remembering exactly. 8)
As a member if The Scottish-American Military Society (http://www.s-a-m-s.org/), I spend a fair amount of time in a uniform that includes a kilt.
Although it would be wrong, if someone were determined to wear a kilt in direct violation of the regulations, I would recommend one of the USAF Tartans (http://www.scottishtartans.org/USAF.htm) or even a USAF Tartan SportKilt (http://www.sportkilt.com/product/1351/Kilt---US-Air-Force-Sport-Kilt-(U).html).
Looks pretty spiffy in the USAF Uniform:
(http://usafdrumcorps.us/pipeband/images/Lucas.jpg)
Just sayin'
Ned Lee
Maybe it's the Canadian in me, but that should be uniform for Honour Guards.
What kind of band doesn't have bagpipes????? >:D
Quote from: JeffDG on June 29, 2011, 09:05:57 PM
Maybe it's the Canadian in me, but that should be uniform for Honour Guards.
I think you meant honor ;D :P
Quote from: titanII on June 29, 2011, 09:09:11 PM
Quote from: JeffDG on June 29, 2011, 09:05:57 PM
Maybe it's the Canadian in me, but that should be uniform for Honour Guards.
I think you meant honor ;D :P
Nope...I also pronounce the "f" in Lieutenant.
Quote from: JeffDG on June 29, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: titanII on June 29, 2011, 09:09:11 PM
Quote from: JeffDG on June 29, 2011, 09:05:57 PM
Maybe it's the Canadian in me, but that should be uniform for Honour Guards.
I think you meant honor ;D :P
Nope...I also pronounce the "f" in Lieutenant.
As is correct. Our northern neighbour is among the many English-speaking nations using The Queen's English spelling and pronunciation. Thanks to Noah Webster, we are the only ones who do not, at least officially.
Even units far away from Bonnie Scotland wear the kilt, as shown by this Australian "Digger" of the Victorian Scottish Regiment.
(http://www.nashos.org.au/jockc.JPG)
I've seen kilts on the Army and Air Force elements of the Canadian Armed Forces, but not the Naval element.
Ned's picture is very sharp.
I am not sure if CAP are allowed to wear kilts, based on 39-1 I'd say not, but can you imagine the kerfuffle with kilt designs for AF v. grey/whites, and how some wag would try to fit that into the "low-light/at-a-distance" bunkum? And, of course, no shade of blue would be allowed.
I'm Ulster-Scots on my mother's side so I'd be all for a CAP kilt. ;D
in another thread we discussed the Tew-Mac Composite Squadron Color Guard from MAWG. In the 80's they wore the AF Tartan Kilt and flashes in a modified CAP uniform. The uniform and squadron are both long gone.....
Well, if Jews can wear their Yarmulkes in uniform, then no one can deny my religious right as a (reform) Druid to wear my Kilt with Mess Dress. You may or may not be surprised how often total strangers will ask if you are dressing "regimental" ( sans undergarments)
Also, the RCAF has authorized our squadron Color Guard to wear their Tartan ( for RCAF functions) if we are so inclined, but no one has had the guts to push things that far!
Major Lord
Of the ClanRanald
in the early 90's Brockton Squadron had a pipe band and wore the kilts with from what i could see the aviator shirt not the blue AF shirt.
Quote from: Major Lord on June 29, 2011, 10:53:32 PM
Well, if Jews can wear their Yarmulkes in uniform, then no one can deny my religious right as a (reform) Druid to wear my Kilt with Mess Dress.
Major Lord
Of the ClanRanald
Given that yarmulkes are a required piece of clothing for devout jews, I can't find any information that kilts are a required clothing item for druids of any ilk.
As a former member of a Scottish heritage society and a pipe band, I too am amazed at the number of total strangers who would ask about the presence of my underwear while wearing a kilt. :o
Quote from: eaker.cadet on June 29, 2011, 08:25:50 PM
I remember a officer at NSC who wore a kilt at the graduation diner but did not wear any CAP uniform articles with it.
Ahh, did you go in 2009? If so, I remember the same person. I interpreted it as falling under "civilian formal attire".
Quote from: JeffDG on June 29, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Nope...I also pronounce the "f" in Lieutenant.
As if anyone would doubt it, I can verify this.
I wonder if a particular high ranking senior member is still on staff at NESA...
Quote from: Major Lord on June 29, 2011, 10:53:32 PM
Well, if Jews can wear their Yarmulkes in uniform, then no one can deny my religious right as a (reform) Druid to wear my Kilt with Mess Dress. You may or may not be surprised how often total strangers will ask if you are dressing "regimental" ( sans undergarments)
Also, the RCAF has authorized our squadron Color Guard to wear their Tartan ( for RCAF functions) if we are so inclined, but no one has had the guts to push things that far!
Major Lord
Of the ClanRanald
Not many people are aware that Reform Druids can worship bushes as well as trees....and wear kilts. ;D
I would wear the grey and whites if I can wear a KILT with it....no joke
Quote from: ol'fido on June 29, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
Quote from: Major Lord on June 29, 2011, 10:53:32 PM
Well, if Jews can wear their Yarmulkes in uniform, then no one can deny my religious right as a (reform) Druid to wear my Kilt with Mess Dress. You may or may not be surprised how often total strangers will ask if you are dressing "regimental" ( sans undergarments)
Also, the RCAF has authorized our squadron Color Guard to wear their Tartan ( for RCAF functions) if we are so inclined, but no one has had the guts to push things that far!
Major Lord
Of the ClanRanald
Not many people are aware that Reform Druids can worship bushes as well as trees....and wear kilts. ;D
Yes, I had to go to the Reform Druids when I found out that the Hasidic Druids are still doing "Burning man" the old fashioned way........darn it, I just had to draw the line at human sacrifice! And as to those who can't find the kilt requirement in the Druidic version of the 39-1, you would have to be able to read ancient Celt, and you won't find that one in the "Rosetta Stone" DVD library! ( Yes, I know ancient Celts did not actually wear Kilts, but who said religious practices have to be sensible?)
I suggest that we plan to have a CAP uniform/Kilt "Flash Mob" at the next National Conference.
Major Lord
Well ... knowing in advance that I'll get flamed (somewhat) for it ... let me show you at least what a kilt and mess dress looks like.
(Note: Since this picture was taken in 2009, I've lost a lot more weight. I'd started my diet six months prior to this, when I weighed 300 pounds ... I was down to "uniform size" by this time, but had more to go -- and now weigh 175.)
Jack
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Quote from: Major Lord on June 30, 2011, 02:10:53 AM
I suggest that we plan to have a CAP uniform/Kilt "Flash Mob" at the next National Conference.
Can we please for the love of Mike skip the red part? ;D
Quote from: Major Lord on June 30, 2011, 02:10:53 AM
Quote from: ol'fido on June 29, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
Quote from: Major Lord on June 29, 2011, 10:53:32 PM
Well, if Jews can wear their Yarmulkes in uniform, then no one can deny my religious right as a (reform) Druid to wear my Kilt with Mess Dress. You may or may not be surprised how often total strangers will ask if you are dressing "regimental" ( sans undergarments)
Also, the RCAF has authorized our squadron Color Guard to wear their Tartan ( for RCAF functions) if we are so inclined, but no one has had the guts to push things that far!
Major Lord
Of the ClanRanald
Not many people are aware that Reform Druids can worship bushes as well as trees....and wear kilts. ;D
Yes, I had to go to the Reform Druids when I found out that the Hasidic Druids are still doing "Burning man" the old fashioned way........darn it, I just had to draw the line at human sacrifice! And as to those who can't find the kilt requirement in the Druidic version of the 39-1, you would have to be able to read ancient Celt, and you won't find that one in the "Rosetta Stone" DVD library! ( Yes, I know ancient Celts did not actually wear Kilts, but who said religious practices have to be sensible?)
I suggest that we plan to have a CAP uniform/Kilt "Flash Mob" at the next National Conference.
Major Lord
Im game
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 30, 2011, 02:20:03 AM
Well ... knowing in advance that I'll get flamed (somewhat) for it ... let me show you at least what a kilt and mess dress looks like.
(Note: Since this picture was taken in 2009, I've lost a lot more weight. I'd started my diet six months prior to this, when I weighed 300 pounds ... I was down to "uniform size" by this time, but had more to go -- and now weigh 175.)
Jack
Very classy Sir, my hat is off to you. Where might I find a good kilt for a good price?
Quote from: CyBorg on June 29, 2011, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: JeffDG on June 29, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: titanII on June 29, 2011, 09:09:11 PM
Quote from: JeffDG on June 29, 2011, 09:05:57 PM
Maybe it's the Canadian in me, but that should be uniform for Honour Guards.
I think you meant honor ;D :P
Nope...I also pronounce the "f" in Lieutenant.
As is correct. Our northern neighbour is among the many English-speaking nations using The Queen's English spelling and pronunciation.
Yeah... I know. I was kidding around/ trying to be sarcastic. It wont happen again. :P
Quote from: eaker.cadet on June 30, 2011, 02:33:49 AM
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 30, 2011, 02:20:03 AM
Well ... knowing in advance that I'll get flamed (somewhat) for it ... let me show you at least what a kilt and mess dress looks like.
(Note: Since this picture was taken in 2009, I've lost a lot more weight. I'd started my diet six months prior to this, when I weighed 300 pounds ... I was down to "uniform size" by this time, but had more to go -- and now weigh 175.)
Jack
Very classy Sir, my hat is off to you. Where might I find a good kilt for a good price?
HERE (http://www.sportkilt.com/product/3731/US-Air-Force.html)
Quote from: eaker.cadet on June 30, 2011, 01:05:25 AM
I would wear the grey and whites if I can wear a KILT with it....no joke
But what Tartan would be worn? Family or AF?
We need to create a CAP one...........I will look at the registry of TARTANS. No worries to the corporate officers, I wont sign anything
There was a certain higher-ranking SM at the 2009 OHWG encampment that wore a three-color DCU-type kilt and played bagpipes on the way to reveille. It was a great morale boost, although I wonder if anyone gathered any photographic evidence... :o ;D
Quote from: eaker.cadet on June 30, 2011, 02:56:35 AM
We need to create a CAP one...........I will look at the registry of TARTANS. No worries to the corporate officers, I wont sign anything
Make sure to include (sublimally) the triangle thingy and then some at HQ will simply love you.
Quote from: vento on June 30, 2011, 03:30:13 PM
Make sure to include (sublimally) the triangle thingy and then some at HQ will simply love you.
Even more so if you make sure it's in shades of grey and white and no blue is used. >:D
(http://www.lindaclifford.com/TartanGen/HebGranite.jpg)
(http://www.highlandstore.com/acatalog/balmoral-tam-classic-b.jpg)
The red would have to go, of course, but there's a Tam O' Shanter to complete.
Quote from: CyBorg on June 30, 2011, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: vento on June 30, 2011, 03:30:13 PM
Make sure to include (sublimally) the triangle thingy and then some at HQ will simply love you.
Even more so if you make sure it's in shades of grey and white and no blue is used. >:D
(http://www.lindaclifford.com/TartanGen/HebGranite.jpg)
(http://www.highlandstore.com/acatalog/balmoral-tam-classic-b.jpg)
The red would have to go, of course, but there's a Tam O' Shanter to complete.
I think RADIOMAN would like and approve the red so lets keep it.
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 30, 2011, 02:20:03 AM
Well ... knowing in advance that I'll get flamed (somewhat) for it ... let me show you at least what a kilt and mess dress looks like.
(Note: Since this picture was taken in 2009, I've lost a lot more weight. I'd started my diet six months prior to this, when I weighed 300 pounds ... I was down to "uniform size" by this time, but had more to go -- and now weigh 175.)
Jack
Was this photo taken at the SMHG Sponsors' Reception? I'm there, every year!
Quote from: Rowan on June 30, 2011, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: ColonelJack on June 30, 2011, 02:20:03 AM
Well ... knowing in advance that I'll get flamed (somewhat) for it ... let me show you at least what a kilt and mess dress looks like.
(Note: Since this picture was taken in 2009, I've lost a lot more weight. I'd started my diet six months prior to this, when I weighed 300 pounds ... I was down to "uniform size" by this time, but had more to go -- and now weigh 175.)
Jack
Was this photo taken at the SMHG Sponsors' Reception? I'm there, every year!
No but you're close. It was taken at the SMHG Tartan Ball, sponsored by the Royal Scottish Country Dance Society. I'm there every year too!
Jack
Look up the following tartans:
Douglas Grey Ancient
Douglas Grey Modern (I like this one)
Grey Granite
Patriot Weathered
I still wear a kilt quite a bit, though it used to be much more when I was still competing in highland games. I am a USCG Aux as well and proudly serve with the USCG Pipe Band. We do not distinguish between Active, Reserve and Auxiliarists. I would love to see CAP get an official Tartan registered, and make it a uniform option.
Quote from: sab163 on June 30, 2011, 02:54:10 AM
Quote from: eaker.cadet on June 30, 2011, 01:05:25 AM
I would wear the grey and whites if I can wear a KILT with it....no joke
But what Tartan would be worn? Family or AF?
In my case, I either wear my clan tartan (MacDonald) or a relatively generic tartan such as Flower of Scotland or -- when I'm feeling rather regal -- the Stewart. (My ancestors came from both MacDonald and Stewart clans, but the connection is stronger on the MacDonald side.) That said, I would love to have a kilt in AF tartan! (And there is one, you know.)
Jack
I don't see a problem.
No different then someone wearing WWII CAP uniforms to a wing/region/national conference banquet.
Kind of cool, if done with taste and kept to only special occasions.
Wearing to the SAREX or the squadron meeting......that would be a no go.
YMMV.
Quote from: ColonelJack on July 04, 2011, 03:03:55 PM
Quote from: sab163 on June 30, 2011, 02:54:10 AM
Quote from: eaker.cadet on June 30, 2011, 01:05:25 AM
I would wear the grey and whites if I can wear a KILT with it....no joke
But what Tartan would be worn? Family or AF?
In my case, I either wear my clan tartan (MacDonald) or a relatively generic tartan such as Flower of Scotland or -- when I'm feeling rather regal -- the Stewart. (My ancestors came from both MacDonald and Stewart clans, but the connection is stronger on the MacDonald side.) That said, I would love to have a kilt in AF tartan! (And there is one, you know.)
Jack
Sport Kilts has the AF Tartan at an affordable price
The answer to the kilt question can be answered on a certain mountain in Pennsylvania. At hawk, I saw kilts worn on skit night. Why? I have no idea?
Quote from: JBC on July 26, 2011, 11:05:33 PM
The answer to the kilt question can be answered on a certain mountain in Pennsylvania. At hawk, I saw kilts worn on skit night. Why? I have no idea?
I think you're going to have to broaden your horizons a bit.
CAP does not begin and end at Hawk Mountain.
Quote from: CyBorg on July 27, 2011, 01:26:00 AM
Quote from: JBC on July 26, 2011, 11:05:33 PM
The answer to the kilt question can be answered on a certain mountain in Pennsylvania. At hawk, I saw kilts worn on skit night. Why? I have no idea?
I think you're going to have to broaden your horizons a bit.
CAP does not begin and end at Hawk Mountain.
No kidding. Yeesh.
I'm trying to figure out which question was answered.
it answers a few for me, but probably not the same ones.
Is there some kind of contest afoot to see how many threads can be hijacked and borged into "let's whine about HMRS" threads?
I don't think so. It seems to be just one over zealous grad, of indeterminate (suspected cadet) age.
Quote from: fyrfitrmedic on July 27, 2011, 04:20:03 AM
Is there some kind of contest afoot to see how many threads can be hijacked and borged into "let's whine about HMRS" threads?
Not anymore...no. Temporary LOCK. Do not go around resurrecting a bunch of old threads and feeding a topic that is just going to start arguments for no reason.