Ok......i am very confused about something. :P
At my regular squadron meetings i wear the Air Force Blue regulation skirt with regulation blouse, hose, flight cap and black pumps. I am filling out my application form for the 2011 MAWG encampment, and i noticed it does not mention a blues skirt on the Required Equipment List for Cadets......only 'Blues Pants (slacks)'. Is the skirt not allowed at encampment? Will i have to buy pants?
It probably varies encampment to encampment. Contact the encampment POC for questions.
if you end up needing blue pants Coastal Patrol 18 (19044) has a few in stock
either is acceptable if they tell you different you have room to gripe. We had female cadets at the Arkansas wing encampment who wore them for religious reasons. It is a very simple accommodation. As there are no BDU skirts, there is no option there.
I had the problem with the BDU thing so I got this as a nice alternative. I wear it for heritage reasons.
I knew of a deeply religious family in AL CAP, and they had BDU skirts...
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on June 29, 2011, 05:53:44 PM
I knew of a deeply religious family in AL CAP, and they had BDU skirts...
Is that a JOKE or for REALIZE!! ?. If it is for real then we need to have a 90 page discussion in the uniform thread :D
Quote from: eaker.cadet on June 29, 2011, 06:14:51 PM
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on June 29, 2011, 05:53:44 PM
I knew of a deeply religious family in AL CAP, and they had BDU skirts...
Is that a JOKE or for REALIZE!! ?. If it is for real then we need to have a 90 page discussion in the uniform thread :D
We did tear it apart in a thread. There are pics I believe. Try searching for it.
Quote from: eaker.cadet on June 29, 2011, 04:38:01 PM
I had the problem with the BDU thing so I got this as a nice alternative. I wear it for heritage reasons.
There are Scotsmen in this world who will kill a man for referring to a kilt as a "skirt"...
Two twins wore KILTS to my senior prom, although they are 110% Scottish. I gave them uber kudos, plus that was the deal, their mom paid for prom, they wore what she mad them wear haha.
My sister wore her skirt at encampment, so you'll be fine I am sure :).
As your DCC is a former cadet..... try asking him.
Quote from: eaker.cadet on June 29, 2011, 04:38:01 PM
I had the problem with the BDU thing so I got this as a nice alternative. I wear it for heritage reasons.
Camo Kilt! Love it! :clap: ;D
I understand not wearing BDU pants for religious reasons, but bastardizing the BDU uniform with a BDU skirt is not the way to handle the situation IMHO.
Either wear the uniform or wear suitable civilian clothes.
Quote from: Dad2-4 on June 30, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
I understand not wearing BDU pants for religious reasons, but bastardizing the BDU uniform with a BDU skirt is not the way to handle the situation IMHO.
Either wear the uniform or wear suitable civilian clothes.
If Cadets and their parents have a serious religious/moral objection to wearing a standard, essential uniform then perhaps CAP is not the program for them. CAP regs allow for some accommodation when it comes to religious apparel (allowing for head coverings, for example), but there has to be a reasonable limit. BDUs don't come with skirts for a reason, they would be highly impractical in the field.
Quote from: DC on July 01, 2011, 03:49:38 AM
Quote from: Dad2-4 on June 30, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
I understand not wearing BDU pants for religious reasons, but bastardizing the BDU uniform with a BDU skirt is not the way to handle the situation IMHO.
Either wear the uniform or wear suitable civilian clothes.
If Cadets and their parents have a serious religious/moral objection to wearing a standard, essential uniform then perhaps CAP is not the program for them. CAP regs allow for some accommodation when it comes to religious apparel (allowing for head coverings, for example), but there has to be a reasonable limit. BDUs don't come with skirts for a reason, they would be highly impractical in the field.
which is moot at encampment. There has been a long debate on how we can REQUIRE BDU's when we don't supply them as a rule. If this cadet has a religious objection to wearing pants, why wouldn't you accommodate her? I think they would have a huge advantage in a court of law as we are federally funded.....
I was asking about the Blues uniform skirt lol. I got no beef with trousers, i just prefer the skirt with Blues.
I checked it out some more and found that they are allowed. Thanks for answering :)
(Oh and btw, BDU skirts are not included in the regulations, and anyone who wears them is out of uniform. )
Quote from: cap235629 on July 01, 2011, 04:01:40 AM
Quote from: DC on July 01, 2011, 03:49:38 AM
Quote from: Dad2-4 on June 30, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
I understand not wearing BDU pants for religious reasons, but bastardizing the BDU uniform with a BDU skirt is not the way to handle the situation IMHO.
Either wear the uniform or wear suitable civilian clothes.
If Cadets and their parents have a serious religious/moral objection to wearing a standard, essential uniform then perhaps CAP is not the program for them. CAP regs allow for some accommodation when it comes to religious apparel (allowing for head coverings, for example), but there has to be a reasonable limit. BDUs don't come with skirts for a reason, they would be highly impractical in the field.
which is moot at encampment. There has been a long debate on how we can REQUIRE BDU's when we don't supply them as a rule. If this cadet has a religious objection to wearing pants, why wouldn't you accommodate her? I think they would have a huge advantage in a court of law as we are federally funded.....
How is it moot at encampment? I don't think it would be wise for a female cadet to rappel or run an obstacle course while wearing a skirt. Ironically, I think that would compromise their modesty much more than wearing pants would.
If a cadet insisted on joining I would accommodate them as best I could, but I would not allow participation in activities where the UOD was BDUs. Since so many activities are conducted in BDUs (and with very good reason, blues are not appropriate in all circumstances), I do not think the cadet would get as much out of CAP as they would another youth program that does not share CAP's stringent uniform regulations.
As for providing BDUs, if a cadet cannot obtain them on their own my unit does have a limited supply for issue. I am aware that that is not the case everywhere, but at least in my area it is not a problem.
Quote from: rrel on July 01, 2011, 04:09:20 AM
I was asking about the Blues uniform skirt lol. I got no beef with trousers, i just prefer the skirt with Blues.
I checked it out some more and found that they are allowed. Thanks for answering :)
(Oh and btw, BDU skirts are not included in the regulations, and anyone who wears them is out of uniform. )
We know, the discussion has deviated a little from your original question. To answer your question, you should be fine with a skirt, but it is best to check with the activity staff just to be sure. IIRC there were plenty of female cadets wearing skirts at the last encampment I attended.
Tags, I would definitely talk to your DCC about this. However, as a cadet who can speak from a previous year of experience, I can tell you that there were female cadets at MAWG 2010 wearing skirts. Weather or not there is any specific "wing" policy on this I can't say.
Quote from: Tags on June 28, 2011, 10:43:26 PM
Okay......i am very confused about something. :P
At my regular squadron meetings i wear the Air Force Blue regulation skirt with regulation blouse, hose, flight cap and black pumps. I am filling out my application form for the 2011 MAWG encampment, and i noticed it does not mention a blues skirt on the Required Equipment List for Cadets......only 'Blues Pants (slacks)'. Is the skirt not allowed at encampment? Will i have to buy pants?
I have been to seven encampments, spanning three different wings, 5 as staff and have either worn a skirt or seen skirts worn at every encampment. You should be good.
Quote from: Hawk_Girl on July 09, 2011, 03:39:54 AM
Quote from: Tags on June 28, 2011, 10:43:26 PM
Okay......i am very confused about something. :P
At my regular squadron meetings i wear the Air Force Blue regulation skirt with regulation blouse, hose, flight cap and black pumps. I am filling out my application form for the 2011 MAWG encampment, and i noticed it does not mention a blues skirt on the Required Equipment List for Cadets......only 'Blues Pants (slacks)'. Is the skirt not allowed at encampment? Will i have to buy pants?
I have been to seven encampments, spanning three different wings, 5 as staff and have either worn a skirt or seen skirts worn at every encampment. You should be good.
3 wings is not enough to know what is required of this particular encampment.
If a list that says "required" tells you something very specific like that, then you need to confirm that it wasn't simply an oversight and take action from there. If it was an oversight, they should announce that so people do not buy something they don't need, but if it isn't, you should not be showing up at encampment with something wrong because you assumed it'd be OK based on others' experiences elsewhere in different years.
Quote from: JC004 on July 09, 2011, 04:17:25 AM
Quote from: Hawk_Girl on July 09, 2011, 03:39:54 AM
Quote from: Tags on June 28, 2011, 10:43:26 PM
Okay......i am very confused about something. :P
At my regular squadron meetings i wear the Air Force Blue regulation skirt with regulation blouse, hose, flight cap and black pumps. I am filling out my application form for the 2011 MAWG encampment, and i noticed it does not mention a blues skirt on the Required Equipment List for Cadets......only 'Blues Pants (slacks)'. Is the skirt not allowed at encampment? Will i have to buy pants?
I have been to seven encampments, spanning three different wings, 5 as staff and have either worn a skirt or seen skirts worn at every encampment. You should be good.
3 wings is not enough to know what is required of this particular encampment.
If a list that says "required" tells you something very specific like that, then you need to confirm that it wasn't simply an oversight and take action from there. If it was an oversight, they should announce that so people do not buy something they don't need, but if it isn't, you should not be showing up at encampment with something wrong because you assumed it'd be OK based on others' experiences elsewhere in different years.
I understand that. Which is why I was stating that I have a limited experience, and stated that she "should", not saying that she would without a doubt be.
I have been to 7 encampments in 3 different wings as well. I have worn a skirt for a majority of them. It all depends on the wing on whether they let you wear skirts. I would highly suggest that you take your pants as well if you decide to take a skirt. Yes, that means one more uniform piece, but that way you don't get balled out for only having the skirt. Also, since this is a summer encampment that you are asking about, you will most likely be having an outdoor pass and review/graduation; I would suggest wearing your pants for this so you not only don't stick out but you will also be a little more comfortable.
I just spoke with the MAWG 2011 Cadet XO, skirts are allowed but pants are preferred. Boom, problem solved.
Quote from: Perez on July 10, 2011, 08:17:23 PM
I just spoke with the MAWG 2011 Cadet XO, skirts are allowed but pants are preferred. Boom, problem solved.
[FILTER SUBVERSION] LIBERALS! Heaven forbid they be feminine! Wait did I just say Heaven? :D :D :D
Or it could be a *GASP* preference for uniformity but an understanding of fiscal responsibility and not wanting to make cadets buy pants if they only own the skirt? ZOMG.
+1 for correct answer there sir.
If you're going to wear a skirt, be sure it's the correct length and fits correctly. My issue with the skirts is that if you're used to seeing everyone wear shirt stays and having shirts pulled down, then the skirt uniform usually looks improperly worn. Most skirts worn by cadets are also the wrong size.