http://www.amtonline.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=13653 Thought I would share this.
That's awesome! I think I found our new motto, "saving lives and preserving liberty for all" >:D
I'm confused. Besides helping aid people in natural disasters in the U.S., what does CAP do to contribute to world peace like the name suggests?
Perhaps providing the world's biggest peacekeeping force (aka the us military) with fresh recruits every year.... ;)
Quote from: Flyinsarge on June 02, 2011, 11:50:33 PM
Perhaps providing the world's biggest peacekeeping force (aka the us military) with fresh recruits every year.... ;)
:D
Quote from: pilot2b on June 02, 2011, 11:34:42 PM
I'm confused. Besides helping aid people in natural disasters in the U.S., what does CAP do to contribute to world peace like the name suggests?
IACE.
Of course, the important question now is what bling do we get for this and how would it be worn on the uniform. >:D
hahaha - here's an idea to get the uniform thread started: Everyone who is a member in CAP when we receive the award is eligible to wear a special ribbon...
Who wants to design the ribbon?
;D
I'll design one ;) haha!
And this proves how crazy I really am.
Civil Air Patrol World Peace Award Ribbon. Below..
(http://i56.tinypic.com/eh117p.jpg)
Quote from: elipod on June 03, 2011, 01:58:27 PM
And this proves how crazy I really am.
Civil Air Patrol World Peace Award Ribbon. Below..
(http://i56.tinypic.com/eh117p.jpg)
Shouldnt the peace symbol be green? We could call it the Green Peace Ribbon!! ;D ;D :clap: :clap:
Haha! It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this award thats being given.
Being that you are the National Curator, sir, what do you think about the triangle emblem? aka. the modern cap seal or patch.
My sister just joined CAP, and when she received her CAPID card, the paperwork from NHQ was using that artwork. So it looks like NHQ approves of it :P
Oh God, you just went there...
Quote from: kmbarnes1 on June 03, 2011, 02:29:32 PM
Oh God, you just went there...
Hmmm.. I'm guessing there has been a lot of controversy about this in the past, that I haven't been involved in. Haha.
Quote from: elipod on June 03, 2011, 02:23:06 PM
Haha! It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this award thats being given.
Being that you are the National Curator, sir, what do you think about the triangle emblem? aka. the modern cap seal or patch.
My sister just joined CAP, and when she received her CAPID card, the paperwork from NHQ was using that artwork. So it looks like NHQ approves of it :P
Are you referring to the one known as the "triangle thingy"? If so, I do not have any personal issues for or against it.
Yes, the 'triangle thingy'. So many on CAP TALK have the 'kill the triangle thingy' signature lines :P
Quote from: elipod on June 03, 2011, 02:36:23 PM
Yes, the 'triangle thingy'. So many on CAP TALK have the 'kill the triangle thingy' signature lines :P
As stated I do not have stronger opinions for or against. I think we have larger issues to spend time on...just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own.
This does have me asking a question. Has CAP ever had ribbons for particular events? Or has there been discussion of having these ribbons before? For major CAP responses (Katrina, Gulf Oil Spill), it would be interesting to have individual ribbons awarded for those individuals involved in certain operations. (Similar to the ribbons AD receive for going over to Iraq, Korea, Vietnam, etc). We'd of course have to get rid of the Disaster Relief ribbon (or rather just the Presidential Device)
You're kidding, that thing is on the ID card? Or are you lumping it in with the proper one because it too has a prop in a triangle? If that thing is on the ID card.. first thing I'm going to do is make an overlay sticker to repair that injustice when time comes to get a new one.
As for the award, the wording of the title did make me wonder, and stirred thoughts of the Peace Prize bit again. Except somehow I suspect there is just a little more sincerity here.
Quote from: kmbarnes1 on June 03, 2011, 03:00:48 PM
This does have me asking a question. Has CAP ever had ribbons for particular events? Or has there been discussion of having these ribbons before? For major CAP responses (Katrina, Gulf Oil Spill), it would be interesting to have individual ribbons awarded for those individuals involved in certain operations. (Similar to the ribbons AD receive for going over to Iraq, Korea, Vietnam, etc). We'd of course have to get rid of the Disaster Relief ribbon (or rather just the Presidential Device)
CAP did have more ribbons associated with specific activities many years ago such as the Jet Orientation Course and others similar to that. The only one we really have now is the IACE ribbon.
There is of course the Cadet Special Activites ribbon which seniors and cadets are eligible for in certain cases. You would have to check the reg for clarity.
The concept of having individual ribbons for singular event is one that has been discussed at length many times, however the number that would qualify for these events is relatively small compared to the overall numbers of CAP members. It would not be realistic to produce 1000 ribbons for 200 people (who are eligible) to wear something like the "Katrina Response or Gulf Oil Spill". These can already be awarded with the Disaster Relief ribbon which encompasses alot of possibilities.
Realistically I do not feel that a special ribbon should be done for something like this, although their would be more than 1000 eligible for it, it is a singular event that could be covered by what is already in our system. I do not feel that it will be a real consideration from CAP but if it were I would suggest using what we have.
Here are a couple of options...
National Commander's Unit Citation Award ribbon: The National Commander's Unit Citation Award was approved by the Civil Air Patrol's National Board at its March 2006 meeting.."[6] It is awarded to "units providing services or achievements above and beyond those normally recognized by a Unit Citation Award."[5] Awards are made at the sole discretion of the National Commander of the Civil Air Patrol.
The ribbon of the award is worn by all cadets and officers who were members of the unit during the time period for which the citation is awarded. Once the award has been made, members may continue to wear the ribbon even if they transfer out of the unit at a later date.[5] Units that have been given the National Commander's Unit Citation Award are entitled to attach a streamer to the colors displayed at the unit's headquarters. This award does not come with a full-sized medal of its own,[4] though a miniature medal is available for senior members to wear on their mess dress uniforms that must be purchased through an outside vendor.[7]
ORUnit Citation Award ribbon The Civil Air Patrol Unit Citation Award is presented for "exceptionally meritorious service or exceptionally outstanding achievement."[5] This service and achievement must be clearly above that which is performed by other similar units. Members are awarded the Unit Citation Award ribbon if they were members of the unit during the time period for which the citation is awarded.[4]
Units can be awarded this citation as a result of extended meritorious service over the course of at least one year, or in recognition of outstanding achievements in a single specific act or notable accomplishment that is separate and distinct from the normal mission or regular function of the unit. The periods of an outstanding achievement are normally characterized by definite beginning and ending dates. Units that have been given the Unit Citation Award are entitled to attach a streamer to the colors displayed at the unit's headquarters. This award does not come with a full-sized medal of its own,[4] though a miniature medal is available for senior members to wear on their mess dress uniforms that must be purchased through an outside vendor.[8]
Only those that were active members during the time frame would be eligible (2010). So if they joined in 2011 they would not be eligible.
A single streamer could be added to the flag at NHQ.
This is just an idea or opinion, hope it helps.
NO New Ribbon needed.
Usually to get a "Peace" award, you have to be a communist or a terrorist ( Yasser Arafat, etc.) Are we sure this is not one of those "Outstanding Young Men of America" type deals where you get you phony bio posted if you agree to buy the printed book?
Major Lord
Quote from: Major Lord on June 03, 2011, 05:08:22 PM
Usually to get a "Peace" award, you have to be a communist or a terrorist ( Yasser Arafat, etc.) Are we sure this is not one of those "Outstanding Young Men of America" type deals where you get you phony bio posted if you agree to buy the printed book?
I looked at their website and it is definitely a "legit" group. Former President Ronald Reagan is one of the past recipients. It is a great honor for CAP members. I hope the members see that.
QuoteI looked at their website and it is definitely a "legit" group. Former President Ronald Reagan is one of the past recipients. It is a great honor for CAP members. I hope the members see that.
I sure do. (Well, thats why I posted it) ::)
Quote from: caphistorian on June 03, 2011, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: Major Lord on June 03, 2011, 05:08:22 PM
Usually to get a "Peace" award, you have to be a communist or a terrorist ( Yasser Arafat, etc.) Are we sure this is not one of those "Outstanding Young Men of America" type deals where you get you phony bio posted if you agree to buy the printed book?
I looked at their website and it is definitely a "legit" group. Former President Ronald Reagan is one of the past recipients. It is a great honor for CAP members. I hope the members see that.
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Also the award to be presented in a ceremony at the US Capitol.
Here is a link to the main website.
http://worldpeaceprize.org/about/
It has alot of good information about the group and their mission.
CAPHISTORIAN is right we have bigger thing to solve rather than the Triangle Thingy. Things like uniforms
Quote from: BillB on June 03, 2011, 07:36:32 PM
CAPHISTORIAN is right we have bigger thing to solve rather than the Triangle Thingy. Things like uniforms
And how to make the "Triangle Thingy" part of C/Enlisted insignia/Patches
Just a little research shows that the founder of this group, Robert L. Leggett, was a Congressman with socialist, and anti-war sympathies and was identified in a now declassified D.O.D. report as a person making contacts within the Soviet Union. Their stated goals seem vague, and besides Ronald Reagan ( May he live forever in the Halls of Valhalla) past recipients seem like a lot of strange ducks.... More research into this group and their goals, and how CAP came to their attention seems prudent.
I think relying solely on their website to establish their bona fides is less than diligent.
Major Lord
Quote from: Major Lord on June 03, 2011, 09:46:38 PM
Just a little research shows that the founder of this group, Robert L. Leggett, was a Congressman with socialist, and anti-war sympathies and was identified in a now declassified D.O.D. report as a person making contacts within the Soviet Union. Their stated goals seem vague, and besides Ronald Reagan ( May he live forever in the Halls of Valhalla) past recipients seem like a lot of strange ducks.... More research into this group and their goals, and how CAP came to their attention seems prudent.
I think relying solely on their website to establish their bona fides is less than diligent.
Major Lord
Making contacts in what way?
What is this obsession with anything/one Soviet linked?
Would you accept a prize from Hezboallah? How about NAMBLA? Yes, it is true that I hate Commies, but that's not the point here. The fact is that no one knows who this group is, or what they represent, other than some very vague stuff about evangelical associations and eliminating all religious conflict in the world. Before we pin that award on, I would like to know who it represents, and what their goals and purposes are. What I have seen on just a cursory look is a Socialist leaning Congress-critter who was the subject of anti-American investigations, but if I get some time to pursue it, I will let you know what I find out about them.
Major Lord
I would say this does need looking into before CAP accepts the award. Here is a quote from an article about the founder (Robert L. Leggett)
"But Thomson's introductions of Leggett to her friends at the South Korean Embassy, including three diplomats later identified as members of the Korean intelligence service, led to a scandal dubbed "Koreagate."
The Department of Justice investigated allegations that Leggett received money from the Koreans for political favors, but Leggett was never indicted."
http://articles.latimes.com/1997/aug/16/news/mn-22972
I agree that the award seems odd for CAP, but the whole "liberal/socialist/left/commie" BS is just that.
It's 2011. Time to move on.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on June 04, 2011, 02:24:06 AM
I agree that the award seems odd for CAP, but the whole "liberal/socialist/left/commie" BS is just that.
It's 2011. Time to move on.
Move on from what? The US govt is still anti communist/socialist. On the books we still provide relief and support to country's that are facing communist take over (i.e. that's why we still have military bases in Korea)
If this is a communist/socialist group, we as members of CAP, have a need to refuse this award. I'm all for world peace, but not done the soviet way.... we see how well that worked out for them ::)
Quote from: NCRblues on June 04, 2011, 03:07:36 AM
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on June 04, 2011, 02:24:06 AM
I agree that the award seems odd for CAP, but the whole "liberal/socialist/left/commie" BS is just that.
It's 2011. Time to move on.
Move on from what? The US govt is still anti communist/socialist. On the books we still provide relief and support to country's that are facing communist take over (i.e. that's why we still have military bases in Korea)
If this is a communist/socialist group, we as members of CAP, have a need to refuse this award. I'm all for world peace, but not done the soviet way.... we see how well that worked out for them ::)
Which is why I said it's time to move on. This isn't a Communist group. I don't care what they are, but not that. Then again, to some people, anyone who doesn't hail Reagan as the best person ever is a communist.
Former congressman Lester Wolff was a member of New York Wing. Later he commanded the CAP Congressional Squadron. He was always good to our program here in New York. He was probably the driving force behind CAP getting this award. WIWAC he helped sponsor the New York Phase of IACE.
Quote from: NCRblues on June 04, 2011, 03:07:36 AM
The US govt is still anti communist/socialist.
The US govt never was and is not anti-socialist. Some of our best allies in Europe and elsewhere are socialist. And with Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid etc we are not far from it. There are huge differences between communists, socialists and liberals. Lumping them together is no different then lumping conservatives with fascists.
QuoteI'm all for world peace, but not done the soviet way
The soviets are in the dustbin of history. You can stop worrying about them. They aren't hiding under your bed.
I'd have to agree into looking closer into this 'award'. We need to find out who they truly are and really where they stand on the issues. Furthermore, the US has NEVER been a socialist country, we are anti-socialist. If you can't understand that, I suggest reading some of the writings of the founding fathers to be reeducated.
Quote from: CAPSAR86 on June 04, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
I'd have to agree into looking closer into this 'award'. We need to find out who they truly are and really where they stand on the issues. Furthermore, the US has NEVER been a socialist country, we are anti-socialist. If you can't understand that, I suggest reading some of the writings of the founding fathers to be reeducated.
As much as it pains me to say: the US has been socialist since the at least the '30s...
What I was trying to say is that isn't the original intent, but we have gotten off the path. Our American principles are stronger than that.
Yeah, I will also have to say that we should look closer at this award. America is not by any means a socilist country, and I dont belive in the whole idea of "ending all wars no matter what", and yes, I think we should look closer before we go taking any award. Just my thoughts....
CAPSAR86, I'm afraid I have to agree with davidsinn on this one. The Founding Fathers had it right, but things have changed so much for the worse since then, that I have no doubt that the founding fathers are rolling in their graves. Sad, but all too true. :(
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Even as a 9th grader, I see it because I've personally read the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the personal writings of men such as Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams, Daniel Webster, to name a few (I love U.S. history, if you can't tell). They all warn of exactly what has happened to this great nation in the last century or so. It's saddening, but more so it angers me as an American that we've let ourselves go this far astray. >:( But, that's what I love about the constitution. We, the People, have the power to reverse the damage if we try hard enough.
(BTW, Reagan was the greatest president of the 20th century. Just though I'd throw that out there. ;)
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Now, with that out of the way, we should look more into the organization and where they stand on things, but congrats to all CAP members regardless on being selected for this award. Maybe now we won't be such a secret. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Edit: I'm behind everything. CAPSAR86, you got it with your second post.
It is amazing how a thread that was started to "Acknowledge and Celebrate" the work of CAP and it's members has turned in a political discussion about communism in the United States and the Investigation of a group seeking to honor the people and work of CAP.
It is really sad that it started off by wanting to have a ribbon designed specifically for this award and now we need a Congressional Hearing. Come on people :( :(
To raise the ridiculous nature of this thread, how about designing a new uniform on which to wear the ribbon that someone wants ?
For the sake of argument, lets say we rule out the issues of the founder being a Socialist or Socialist sympathizer, and possible facilitator of our enemies. A review of the organizations' own information seems to indicate that their major philosophical premise is that religion is the root of most world conflict. Given that ( And the fact that their webpage looks like it was drawn up by Tony Pineda using Microsoft Word) How does CAP warrant special recognition along with other individuals who seem hostile to religion, or at least religious principals used as a moral foundation for government? Which political philosophy is most hostile to religion? While information on the group is pretty sparse, I suggest we give this a little review to make sure we are not being played. This is not the Nobel Prize.....I don't know fully what it is, and I don't think anyone here does either. Shouldn't we know?
Among other things, this group's foundation seems to be involved in Scientology. Before we put on that medal, I think we better find out who stamped it out. And now back to your discussion of what the ribbon will look like: I am leaning towards a "peace sign" ( The broken cross symbol) over a Rainbow colored ( for obvious reasons) background, possibly with a red star and Unicorn if it will fit.
Major Lord
Quote from: CAPSAR86 on June 04, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
I'd have to agree into looking closer into this 'award'. We need to find out who they truly are and really where they stand on the issues. Furthermore, the US has NEVER been a socialist country, we are anti-socialist. If you can't understand that, I suggest reading some of the writings of the founding fathers to be reeducated.
Didn't people say the same thing about the President?
Just what is it with people on the certain side of politics that anything THEY don't know automatically is a Communist-Muslim-American-Hater?
Can we get a lock on this BS thread before any more of this?
Quote from: BillB on June 03, 2011, 07:36:32 PM
CAPHISTORIAN is right we have bigger thing to solve rather than the Triangle Thingy. Things like uniforms
lol whats up with everyone refering to it as the triangle thingy lol ....does it have a name???
I have never heard it called anything except the "Triangle Thingy", but of course, it could be a commie plot to undermine CAP, along with carbonated beverages, fluoridated water, and Amway...... ;)
Major Lord