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Operations => Emergency Services & Operations => Topic started by: jgdeleon31 on April 16, 2011, 06:28:34 PM

Title: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 16, 2011, 06:28:34 PM
I'm up for my checkout this week, maybe Monday, is this just like an FAA checkride? I'm pretty good with my flying skills, I've been up with a cap instructor twice and I feel comfortable with aerodynamics and FARS. I studied the 52-7 and 60-1. I hold a Commercial ASEL AMEL Instrument, with over 700 hrs tt. I have a form 5 print out which it gives me an idea, but what else you guys recommend I should study and go over?

Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: starshippe on April 17, 2011, 04:31:31 PM

. . good luck with ur check ride. i'm assuming that u have completed ur on line written exam recently, and have a filled in questionnaire for the aircraft. probably wouldn't hurt to have a weight and balance completed.
. . the fairly recent 60-1s, feb 2008 for instance, had several pages of information on how the form 5, and form 91, check rides were to be administered/taken. if u can not find one of these slightly older documents, give me an email addy and i will be glad to send u one.
. . i suppose i need a disclaimer stating that u will of course need to modify this information with any changes that have occurred since feb 2008. electronic flight releases and wimrs entries are two that come to mind.
. . again good luck, let us know if u need any other info.

bill
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on April 18, 2011, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: jgdeleon31 on April 16, 2011, 06:28:34 PM
I'm up for my checkout this week, maybe Monday, is this just like an FAA checkride? I'm pretty good with my flying skills, I've been up with a cap instructor twice and I feel comfortable with aerodynamics and FARS. I studied the 52-7 and 60-1. I hold a Commercial ASEL AMEL Instrument, with over 700 hrs tt. I have a form 5 print out which it gives me an idea, but what else you guys recommend I should study and go over?

I highly recommend that you review our CAP Pilot Guide at http://www.squadron188.org/home/new-member-guide/cap-pilot-guide (http://www.squadron188.org/home/new-member-guide/cap-pilot-guide)

Where it says CAWG replace with your Wing.

Have fun.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 21, 2011, 08:16:18 PM
Hey guys, thank you for the extra intel. Had my ride today and went picture perfect.

thank you again
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on April 21, 2011, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: jgdeleon31 on April 21, 2011, 08:16:18 PM
Hey guys, thank you for the extra intel. Had my ride today and went picture perfect.

thank you again

Congratulations!!!

Onwards to Mission Pilot.  I recommend this guide :) http://www.squadron188.org/home/new-member-guide/mission-pilot-guide (http://www.squadron188.org/home/new-member-guide/mission-pilot-guide)
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 21, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
downloading it now! after reading most of the required items, it looks like I only need to study the pamphlet, call and IP and schedule the checkride!  I think I might need a life outside cap lol
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on April 21, 2011, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: jgdeleon31 on April 21, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
downloading it now! after reading most of the required items, it looks like I only need to study the pamphlet, call and IP and schedule the checkride!  I think I might need a life outside cap lol

You do need to complete a number of tasks on the associated SQTR http://www.nesa.cap.gov/curriculum_material/ICSS/SQTRs/SQTR%20Mission%20Pilot.pdf (http://www.nesa.cap.gov/curriculum_material/ICSS/SQTRs/SQTR%20Mission%20Pilot.pdf). 

These involve either flying with a mentor pilot, could be completed as a Mission Pilot Trainee at a SAREX, or as a student at NESA.  You must complete four different grid searches, plus an Electronic Search.  These types of searches require much different skills that what you might be used to and may take some time to complete.  You will also need your Mission Scanner rating, two missions, the CAPT 117 test, and some serious study of the National Emergency Services Academy's (NESA) Mission Aircrew Reference Text: http://www.nesa.cap.gov/mascurr.htm (http://www.nesa.cap.gov/mascurr.htm)

Speaking of NESA, attending their Mission Aircrew School is a quick way of completing all the requirements of Mission Pilot.  Act fast though, they may be almost full - http://www.nesa.cap.gov/ (http://www.nesa.cap.gov/)

Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 21, 2011, 11:16:17 PM
I'm doing my 2 MS sorties this Saturday, were having a sarex this weekend in FL, I would love to go to nesa but unfortunately  I'm leaving on active duty orders this summer for 5 months, so that is out of the question.  I printed out a bunch of information from that website you gave me and the nesa one, so I have plenty of material to go over while I'm activated :) thank you for all your help. 

Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on April 21, 2011, 11:40:08 PM
Take care on deployment.  You might want to order this small version of the MART that Vanguard stocks: http://www.vanguardmil.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_2418&products_id=14896 (http://www.vanguardmil.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_2418&products_id=14896) It's an older, but very useful book that I carry on every flight.

There are also some newer copies floating around :)
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 22, 2011, 04:11:04 PM
Awesome, I'll see if I can acquire a free one from my unit   ;D , question do you have any idea who needs to authorize the pilot appointments for example I'm waiting on the 2 o-rides ones for rotc and airplane "Cadet Orientation Pilot - Airplane" ,  cause they are showing pendings but I dont see anything on validation or approval, I know I can't do it my self but doesn't it still be showing up?
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: EMT-83 on April 22, 2011, 06:12:27 PM
Your squadron CC (or designee) will be the first stop on the road to validation. Ask if they've seen it yet.

If not, there may be something missing – a missing prerequisite or safety item not up to date.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 22, 2011, 06:33:50 PM
My cc seen it already and I think he approved it but it still  shows at pending approval...
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on April 22, 2011, 06:38:19 PM
Quote from: jgdeleon31 on April 22, 2011, 04:11:04 PM
Awesome, I'll see if I can acquire a free one from my unit   ;D , question do you have any idea who needs to authorize the pilot appointments for example I'm waiting on the 2 o-rides ones for rotc and airplane "Cadet Orientation Pilot - Airplane" ,  cause they are showing pendings but I dont see anything on validation or approval, I know I can't do it my self but doesn't it still be showing up?

It will have to be approved by your Group (If you have one) and Wing DOV.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 22, 2011, 06:43:22 PM
Got ya ok, So I take it will take a few days then... oh well.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on April 22, 2011, 06:50:56 PM
Quote from: jgdeleon31 on April 22, 2011, 06:43:22 PM
Got ya ok, So I take it will take a few days then... oh well.

Also, did you complete this:

Enter your initial Form 5 using eServices->My Operations Qualifications->Pilot-> Checkride/Questionnaires->Aircraft->Add Initial Form 5 link and enter Initial Date and Initial Aircraft Type.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 22, 2011, 07:00:02 PM
Yes I did, uploaded everything yesterday. Form 5, questionnaire, medial, license, type, BFR, everything, I'm already showing on e services TMP approved, vfr, instrument, pilot rating and all that except  both orientations, they still show yellow PENDING UNIT APPROVAL.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: Check Pilot/Tow Pilot on April 22, 2011, 07:06:47 PM
Quote from: jgdeleon31 on April 22, 2011, 07:00:02 PM
Yes I did, uploaded everything yesterday. Form 5, questionnaire, medial, license, type, BFR, everything, I'm already showing on e services TMP approved, vfr, instrument, pilot rating and all that except  both orientations, they still show yellow PENDING UNIT APPROVAL.
Talk to your CC, there must be a Validation that he still needs to complete.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: vento on April 22, 2011, 07:49:51 PM
Quote from: jgdeleon31 on April 22, 2011, 07:00:02 PM
Yes I did, uploaded everything yesterday. Form 5, questionnaire, medial, license, type, BFR, everything, I'm already showing on e services TMP approved, vfr, instrument, pilot rating and all that except  both orientations, they still show yellow PENDING UNIT APPROVAL.

Mouse over the "PENDING UNIT APPROVAL" and you can find out from the popup the approval status. It will tell you if it's pending SQDN, GRP, or WING approval.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 22, 2011, 08:57:47 PM
It says pending unit approval, I emailed my CC and no word yet.  I will just give it time then.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: peter rabbit on April 22, 2011, 09:05:43 PM
shouldn't this be under Aviation topics?
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 25, 2011, 05:06:35 PM
Well after emailing a bunch of people and asking around, I think I'm at a stand still. I asked my Sq commander and he says that he has nothing to do with that, then I ask our operation officer and he doesn't know either... My form 5 examiner also said he can't authorize o-rides on my ticket because appointments go thru a whole different channels. They still pending and nothing.

if anyone here is from Group 4 in FL and know who is in the proper channels then pm me. thanks
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: EMT-83 on April 25, 2011, 05:45:40 PM
Squadron command doesn't know the chain for ES qualifications? Unfreakin' believable.
Title: Re: Form 5 Checkride
Post by: jgdeleon31 on April 25, 2011, 05:46:25 PM
Tell me about it. Such is life.