The following E-mail went out to CAP's Wing and Region PAOs. Please help spread the word about this contest!
QuoteGreetings,
CAP is looking for your help and creativity!
We invite you to submit your idea for a theme and/or a logo for the 2011 National Conference that will be held in Louisville, Ky., Aug. 17-20, as well as for the 70th anniversary of CAP's founding. The challenge is to tie your National Conference theme/logo to CAP's 70th anniversary, which will also be celebrated in 2011.
Please e-mail your entry to paa@capnhq.gov no later than Feb. 1, 2011. Please type "theme/logo" in the subject line of the e-mail and include your full name, rank, CAPID, full mailing address and e-mail address in your entry.
This contest is open to all CAP members.
Members with winning entries will receive a free registration to the 2011 National Conference.The 2011 theme and logo will be announced on the VolunteerNow website, http://www.capvolunteernow.com, by April 15.
Happy New Year and good luck!
Regards,
Steve Cox
Public Affairs Manager
Civil Air Patrol National Headquarters
Hopefully this conference theme won't be transforming into yet another new motto/tagline/whatever as that seems to be what happened in the past.
Quote from: RiverAux on December 29, 2010, 04:55:32 PM
Hopefully this conference theme won't be transforming into yet another new motto/tagline/whatever as that seems to be what happened in the past.
It shouldn't, since it is not a "branding" this as much as a commemorative. Think of the State quarters series form the US mint. The placing of the State mottos and symbols, also based on a contest, did not fundamentally change the symbolic icons of the US. No more than the logos of the Olympics (like Sam the Olympic Eagle) took away from the monikers of the Olympics.
It would be foolish to make a big deal or read anything into this and will be a wasted effort to take issue with it.
I like the idea and think it will give the members an opportunity to submit something. I will probably try to think of something myself and submit it.
Hats off to NHQ and the opportunity! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I am sure a reinforced version of The Triangle Thingy will be the absolute winner. >:D
Monopoly houses, anybody?
How about this for a logo?
(http://www.af.mil/shared/media/ggallery/webgraphic/AFG-080407-024.jpg)
I think I'll submit it.
Quote from: Pylon on January 04, 2011, 06:35:34 AM
How about this for a logo?
(http://www.af.mil/shared/media/ggallery/webgraphic/AFG-080407-024.jpg)
I think I'll submit it.
I thought about that one as well but decided on the one below given that it is our actual emblem, despite the fact that it doesn't appear anywhere in the media kit on our site. :-\ :
(http://www.af.mil/shared/media/ggallery/webgraphic/AFG-080407-023.jpg)
Good luck and may the best man win! :)
It's best not to use them because they are official and promote proper branding and consistency/uniformity. You don't want that happening.
Al -- there will be a submission from Clearwater, Fla., that I think all will be pleased with. :)
That said, the only thing I would say to all of you is that the logo and 70th anniversary celebration should drive any conference theme, and not vice versa. And the logo should be derived from symbols we already have -- and that are already ingrained into our history and heritage.
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on January 05, 2011, 06:15:27 AM
Al -- there will be a submission from Clearwater, Fla., that I think all will be pleased with. :)
That said, the only thing I would say to all of you is that the logo and 70th anniversary celebration should drive any conference theme, and not vice versa. And the logo should be derived from symbols we already have -- and that are already ingrained into our history and heritage.
Careful with that language, sir. That's just vague enough to get us in a mess.
Technically, the Triangle Thingy could be seen as "derived" from symbols we already have...
Quote from: DakRadz on January 05, 2011, 07:46:41 AM
Technically, the Triangle Thingy could be seen as "derived" from symbols we already have...
There's a big difference between exercising our heritage emblems and mangling them.
I certainly get the distinct impression that .. the Triangle-Thingy isn't well liked at all .. 7 out of 10 PAO's so far, won't use it. ;) They would probably get annoyed if we all submitted the original seal or derivates of it, but it would make a statement if it got logged and reported ...
Quote from: a2capt on January 06, 2011, 08:02:02 AM
I certainly get the distinct impression that .. the Triangle-Thingy isn't well liked at all .. 7 out of 10 PAO's so far, won't use it. ;) They would probably get annoyed if we all submitted the original seal or derivates of it, but it would make a statement if it got logged and reported ...
The 3 PAOs paid by NHQ don't count. When I checked the wing sites, 52 out of 52 were lacking a Triangle Thingy. I believe none of the region sites had it. The national site only had it sometimes - like in those little ad-type things. Whatever crap was spewed about organizations changing logos from time to time, they missed important pieces like actual use of the new logo.
I'm no good with creating graphics, so PLEASE, folks - I beg of you - DON'T make something like the CAP Monopoly House Logo.
Quote from: JC004 on January 07, 2011, 09:03:57 PM
Whatever crap was spewed about organizations changing logos from time to time, they missed important pieces like actual use of the new logo.
Thank god.
Gee I always thought mile stones for organization were 25, 50, 75, 100, etc years. Why is 70 being something so special ???
RM
CAP has been celebrating every five years since I joined. My first celebration was the 25th anniversary.
I've made a point of trying to attend on Friday & Saturday this year, since it's within reasonable driving distance. At least, I'm going to try.
https://www.capnhq.gov/news/news14Jan11.htm
docs.google.com I'm just sayin' :angel:
Quote from: Eclipse on January 14, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
https://www.capnhq.gov/news/news14Jan11.htm
docs.google.com I'm just sayin' :angel:
I'm partial to Dropbox myself.
Okay, how many of you submitted the original logo, that caused someone to get frustrated, and nuke the whole inbox?
FAIL.
Quote from: Pylon on January 15, 2011, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: JC004 on January 14, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
FAIL.
Cloud computing fail.
Backup fail. I back up my organization's data in 3 different places, in different parts of the country.
Has anyone made a submission for this yet?
Quote from: caphistorian on February 05, 2011, 08:36:52 PMHas anyone made a submission for this yet?
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=11965.msg220061#msg220061 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=11965.msg220061#msg220061)
Quote from: Pylon on February 05, 2011, 08:57:02 PM
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=11965.msg220061#msg220061 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=11965.msg220061#msg220061)
Thanks for the laugh. I now have to clean my computer screen!!
How about producing some old school 1940s era replica hat devices? I know I would buy one.
Quote from: CAP Producer on December 29, 2010, 03:47:29 PM
The following E-mail went out to CAP's Wing and Region PAOs. Please help spread the word about this contest!
QuoteGreetings,
CAP is looking for your help and creativity!
We invite you to submit your idea for a theme and/or a logo for the 2011 National Conference that will be held in Louisville, Ky., Aug. 17-20, as well as for the 70th anniversary of CAP's founding. The challenge is to tie your National Conference theme/logo to CAP's 70th anniversary, which will also be celebrated in 2011.
Please e-mail your entry to paa@capnhq.gov no later than Feb. 1, 2011. Please type "theme/logo" in the subject line of the e-mail and include your full name, rank, CAPID, full mailing address and e-mail address in your entry.
This contest is open to all CAP members.
Members with winning entries will receive a free registration to the 2011 National Conference.The 2011 theme and logo will be announced on the VolunteerNow website, http://www.capvolunteernow.com, by April 15.
Happy New Year and good luck!
Regards,
Steve Cox
Public Affairs Manager
Civil Air Patrol National Headquarters
Are they supposed to be acknowledging those who submit? I see the cutoff date is the 15th but I do not see antying about "formal" acknowledgment of submissions.
Quote from: caphistorian on February 05, 2011, 08:36:52 PM
Has anyone made a submission for this yet?
Yep! The winning theme has already been submitted! :angel:
Quote from: Kojack on February 14, 2011, 01:54:40 PM
Yep! The winning theme has already been submitted! :angel:
Yeah they allready told me I was wondering if they let the rest of you know!! ;D
Thats really nice. Just like they let deadlines slip and slip thereby making them meaningless, in general, in CAP.. it would be just as well that they pick a winner early and ignore the rest of the submissions because they extended it to the 15th, but seem to have gone by the original date anyway.
Quote from: a2capt on February 14, 2011, 04:28:08 PM
Thats really nice. Just like they let deadlines slip and slip thereby making them meaningless, in general, in CAP.. it would be just as well that they pick a winner early and ignore the rest of the submissions because they extended it to the 15th, but seem to have gone by the original date anyway.
I am not sure if this is directed at me but mine was a response to a joke that someone else posted. I have not received any notice or anything else for that fact about my submission. That is why I was asking. I know the people at NHQ have more integrity than that. I have not seen nor heard of any reason to suspect that they have changed the dates or anything else having to do with this contest.
114 entries have been recieved by NHQ and they will be judged in the coming weeks. BTW today is the final day they are accepting entries.
Should be tomorrow, not today, according to the note posted.
QuotePlease e-mail your entry to paa@capnhq.gov no later than Feb. 15, 2011. Please type "theme/logo" in the subject line of the e-mail and include your full name, rank, CAPID, full mailing address and e-mail address in your entry.
So we're into the last of March, and no word yet on a wiener. Bueller? Bueller? ;D
From what I hear, the decision has been made, but not yet announced.
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on March 31, 2011, 04:48:07 AM
So we're into the last of March, and no word yet on a wiener. Bueller? Bueller? ;D
(http://images.magnetmail.net/images/clients/CivilAir/70thAnnualConf%281%29.jpg)
This monstrosity was in my email this morning. Is this the logo?
Quote from: davidsinn on March 31, 2011, 02:07:11 PM
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on March 31, 2011, 04:48:07 AM
So we're into the last of March, and no word yet on a wiener. Bueller? Bueller? ;D
This monstrosity was in my email this morning. Is this the logo?
It has The Triangle Thingy, so it must be the winning entry chosen by our professional rule abiding impartial judges... >:D
This is the best compelling reason yet for adding an "actively vomiting" smiley to the site's assortment. (http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-9529.gif)
Quote from: Pylon on March 31, 2011, 03:46:38 PM
This is the best compelling reason yet for adding an "actively vomiting" smiley to the site's assortment. (http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-9529.gif)
+1 :clap:
I really hate that triangle thing... we're in the process of creating a squadron patch and one of our cadet entries had it on there. That entry was quickly discarded...
Quote from: kmbarnes1 on March 31, 2011, 04:54:53 PM
I really hate that triangle thing... we're in the process of creating a squadron patch and one of our cadet entries had it on there. That entry was quickly discarded...
Did you let them know why?
Personally, I didn't. My cadet commander beat me to it...blurted out right in the poor c/Amn's face, "thats not our logo!" The cadet quickly changed his design...
Quote from: kmbarnes1 on March 31, 2011, 04:58:44 PM
Personally, I didn't. My cadet commander beat me to it...blurted out right in the poor c/Amn's face, "thats not our logo!" The cadet quickly changed his design...
Oops ;D At least he understands now.
All this nonsense about the logo aside, it's unfortunate that, yet again, an expensive venue was selected. I thought of going to this one since it's in the GLR, but the 4 night stay + parking + conference is over $600...
Quote from: Bluelakes 13 on March 31, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
All this nonsense about the logo aside, it's unfortunate that, yet again, an expensive venue was selected. I thought of going to this one since it's in the GLR, but the 4 night stay + parking + conference is over $600...
The problem is that most of the places capable of accommodating the numbers that attend the national conference also happen to be expensive.
It should not at all be hard to find a cheaper place to stay than the conference hotel for individual members that want to go. I recently went to a work conference where the rooms would have been something like $130 a night. This was probably not out of line for this particular hotel, but was much higher than usual for this particular conference. So, I found a chain motel outside of town for $39 a night that was perfectly acceptable.
Of course, I'm sure CAP guaranteed the hotel a certain number of room bookings based on those whose attendance is being funded by the Wings and CAP NHQ. They'll have to stay there or probably CAP would have to pay a fee for not filling all the rooms they said they would.
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on March 31, 2011, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: Bluelakes 13 on March 31, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
All this nonsense about the logo aside, it's unfortunate that, yet again, an expensive venue was selected. I thought of going to this one since it's in the GLR, but the 4 night stay + parking + conference is over $600...
The problem is that most of the places capable of accommodating the numbers that attend the national conference also happen to be expensive.
You can't stay anywhere you won't be concerned about your health of safety these days for less than $80-100, at least nowhere I'd want to stay.
And conferences aren't free. If we want more than lunch at the VFW, this is what these things cost. Split between two people the rooms aren't
really that big a deal.
I just got back from Las Vegas and stayed across the street from the LVCC, the peak nights were $359 a night. I could have stayed on the strip for
less, but then you've got to be paying for cabs there and back, so factor $20-50 a day for that.
Stuff costs money.
I'm debating on going myself. I did the Louisville drive last Fall for a show and it wasn't that big a deal, but I'll tell you this, Louisville is not Paris.
If the weather is decent it might be a nice ride on the bike. Maybe I can convince ICENICE and the SD to take the trip with me.
I don't have any problem with CAP holding national conferences and banquets - under the stipulation that we don't lose money doing them. If the costs to run it can be covered by sponsors, etc - then I'm good, otherwise, I think it's just bad business.
I don't even have a problem with it being a bit expensive for the average member to go. Doing CAP stuff costs money, whether its buying your uniform accessories or making the choice to spend a week in San Diego. If CAP's membership isn't willing to support it financially, why should anyone else?
Quote from: kmbarnes1 on March 31, 2011, 04:58:44 PM
Personally, I didn't. My cadet commander beat me to it...blurted out right in the poor c/Amn's face, "thats not our logo!" The cadet quickly changed his design...
It pleases me that cadets all over the country get it when it comes to the CAP identity crisis. That is good news for our future. Hopefully they won't totally destroy it by the time they get to be in charge.
Quote from: davidsinn on March 31, 2011, 02:07:11 PM
(http://images.magnetmail.net/images/clients/CivilAir/70thAnnualConf%281%29.jpg)
This monstrosity was in my email this morning. Is this the logo?
It looks like someone at National Headquarters did this, judging by the general feel of it, the type choices and the availability of that godawful illegal logo. Was the fix in?Oh, well. Guess Florida Wing will adopt its own now, especially since they're not sharing this (not that anyone wants it).
It has been officially announced yesterday ladies and gentlemen. You may find the story and the announcement here: http://www.capvolunteernow.com/news.cfm/logo_unveiled_for_2011_annual_conference_70th_cap_anniversary?show=news&newsID=10407 (http://www.capvolunteernow.com/news.cfm/logo_unveiled_for_2011_annual_conference_70th_cap_anniversary?show=news&newsID=10407).
kill it with fire
Absolutely disgusting! I can't stand that thing, I wonder who came up with the triangle thingy.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 31, 2011, 09:14:01 PM
I don't have any problem with CAP holding national conferences and banquets - under the stipulation that we don't lose money doing them. If the costs to run it can be covered by sponsors, etc - then I'm good, otherwise, I think it's just bad business.
I don't even have a problem with it being a bit expensive for the average member to go. Doing CAP stuff costs money, whether its buying your uniform accessories or making the choice to spend a week in San Diego. If CAP's membership isn't willing to support it financially, why should anyone else?
Ha anyone else noticed that the number of members attending the conferences have been going down every year? At one time you could expect the paid attendees to be close to a thousand. In the last few years it's been closer to 5-600 depending on the location. last year in San Diego they didn't even have exhibitors (other than Vanguard). I'm planning on going, but it's still a 1500 mile R/T drive. and with gas prices mounting maybe not.
If it helps, I hear the MC for the banquet will be amusing . . . .
Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BGpWG8iqpQ
Quote from: addo1 on April 11, 2011, 04:54:39 PM
It has been officially announced yesterday ladies and gentlemen. You may find the story and the announcement here: http://www.capvolunteernow.com/news.cfm/logo_unveiled_for_2011_annual_conference_70th_cap_anniversary?show=news&newsID=10407 (http://www.capvolunteernow.com/news.cfm/logo_unveiled_for_2011_annual_conference_70th_cap_anniversary?show=news&newsID=10407).
The triangle thingy was included on a logo designed by a safety officer? I submit the traingle thingy is a safety hazard, with several pointy edges that could hurt somebody. >:D
Yeah, and the aircraft appears to be exceeding 60 degrees of bank...
Quote from: Ned on April 11, 2011, 06:07:50 PM
If it helps, I hear the MC for the banquet will be amusing . . . .
It's an awards Banquet. I'm not getting an award and I don't know anyone who is. It also requires an extra night at the hotel. By the time it's over I will have driven to Atlanta or further.
Seriously, what can we do to raise the point and gauge if there are others that think as the majority seem to here .. that the Triangle-Thingy just sucks and needs to go?
Set up a survey/petition and then actually do something with the results if there's enough? What?
I fear it is likely to be like other issues there have been on which there was probably a large member consensus - for example, that CAP has been changing the uniform WAY to often with total disregard for the costs to the members in a recession. There was EXTENSIVE complaining and still is. Some people have taken it to their National Board members - I know of at least, I don't know, a dozen or more. Some have complained to MULTIPLE National Board members. They haven't stopped - just slowed for a while. Maybe the calm before the storm.
It's their prerogative to dictate policy as they see fit within the Constitution and Bylaws. They do that. It's the members' prerogative to vote with their feet and many, many have. That's the sad part of it all. I don't know that many have left as a result of uniforms. We probably wouldn't want them if they did. BUT, many leave for the attitudes behind the uniform changes and all the rest (Triangle Thingy, etc.). That is, the total lack of direction, of published goals, "industry" standards, common professional practice... It's arbitrary and people don't follow arbitrary - people follow causes. That's when I lead something (with many non-profits, my own organization, and otherwise), I make a cause of it. Reference: Kill The Triangle Thingy.
Quote from: Ned on April 11, 2011, 06:07:50 PM
If it helps, I hear the MC for the banquet will be amusing . . . .
Ah, yes indeed sir. Yes indeed.
Quote from: JC004 on April 15, 2011, 04:43:21 AMIt's their prerogative to dictate policy as they see fit within the Constitution and Bylaws. They do that. It's the members' prerogative to vote with their feet and many, many have. That's the sad part of it all. I don't know that many have left as a result of uniforms. We probably wouldn't want them if they did. BUT, many leave for the attitudes behind the uniform changes and all the rest (Triangle Thingy, etc.). That is, the total lack of direction, of published goals, "industry" standards, common professional practice... It's arbitrary and people don't follow arbitrary - people follow causes. That's when I lead something (with many non-profits, my own organization, and otherwise), I make a cause of it. Reference: Kill The Triangle Thingy.
Personally I don't have any problem with the new Triangle emblem to be used only in selected circumstances. What I'm still waiting for is the public publication of CAP's short, medium, & long term goals and how we as an organization will achieve these objectives. It would seem to me will all these these board meeting & travel expenses in high priced hotels that there would be a clear set of objectives set forth overall, and communicated effectively to the membership. Have I missed this somewhere in all the housekeeping administrative mumbo jumbo that most of these meetings seem to produce ??? :-[
RM
Why have a limited-use logo?
Seriously...CAP has the most fragmented and inconsistent brand of any non-profit of its size that I've ever seen. I've been studying non-profits for a long time and dealt with many. I've studied their marketing and all extensively. I see nothing like this in an organization of CAP's size and I can't think of a smaller one (except maybe some tiny local groups) offhand that has such a terrible time with its brand (or lack thereof).
Across the board, CAP's national leadership needs to use something like my rules of non-profit management: engage your people - communicate clearly - make it simple - make it matter. They need to unify things too. Having NHQ doing its own thing, changing the organization's brand randomly (and often) after 10 minutes in Microsoft Paint and all of that crap has to go. There are some departments like Cadet Programs that put out great things but overall, there needs to be an overhaul, unification, goals, all that.
What can CAP learn from a cartoon? A lot on the topic of uniforms and the uniform branding of an organization. Start the video at 5:35.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92KZNSt5j2U
Quote from: JC004 on April 16, 2011, 12:47:31 AM
Why have a limited-use logo?
Across the board, CAP's national leadership needs to use something like my rules of non-profit management: engage your people - communicate clearly - make it simple - make it matter. They need to unify things too. Having NHQ doing its own thing, changing the organization's brand randomly (and often) after 10 minutes in Microsoft Paint and all of that crap has to go. There are some departments like Cadet Programs that put out great things but overall, there needs to be an overhaul, unification, goals, all that.
A good thought for August 20st at about 9:30pm.... ;)