What are the age requirements for being a flight line marshaller and mission observer?
Quote from: airtrekker5 on December 15, 2010, 01:13:55 AM
What are the age requirements for being a flight line marshaller and mission observer?
The answer you seek is in the SQTR.
What exactly do you mean by that? I've taken a look at both worksheets.....before I know it, I'm saying, "Yes, that's an SQTR all right...."
I find no answers there.
Quote from: airtrekker5 on December 15, 2010, 02:06:37 AM
What exactly do you mean by that? I've taken a look at both worksheets.....before I know it, I'm saying, "Yes, that's an SQTR all right...."
I find no answers there.
The FLM does not list an age which means it does not have an age limit. The MO does list a min. age as a prereq.
Quote from: davidsinn on December 15, 2010, 02:09:15 AM
The MO does list a min. age as a prereq.
Actually it doesn't, and that may be where this person is having a problem. It does, however, list MS as a prereq., and MS has a min. age.
Personally, there is no limit to age but maturity is what is needed to be looked at. There are some cadets who are 13-14 yrs. old and are pretty mature and then again, there are some 15-17 yrs. old who are very immature. So all in all it is the responsibility of the SM to determine whether or not its is safety enough to allow a cadet to be in that situation.
Quote from: REDahms on December 16, 2010, 03:17:52 AM
Personally, there is no limit to age but maturity is what is needed to be looked at. There are some cadets who are 13-14 yrs. old and are pretty mature and then again, there are some 15-17 yrs. old who are very immature. So all in all it is the responsibility of the SM to determine whether or not its is safety enough to allow a cadet to be in that situation.
Maturity... Ironic
Quote from: REDahms on December 16, 2010, 03:17:52 AM
Personally, there is no limit to age but maturity is what is needed to be looked at. There are some cadets who are 13-14 yrs. old and are pretty mature and then again, there are some 15-17 yrs. old who are very immature. So all in all it is the responsibility of the SM to determine whether or not its is safety enough to allow a cadet to be in that situation.
You've made the assertion that you are versed enough in the Es regs to be the ESO, yet you assert that the only age prescription to being on aircrew is a unit cc's assessment of maturity?
Time to crack some .pdfs....
I'm not understanding what you guys are saying? There is no specific age limit to these items therefore it falls appon the CC to determine whether the cadet can or can not do the task.
You have to be 18 to be on a CAP aircrew.
How is it that we are on aircrew when I was responding to the question of flight line marshaller. To be a mission observer yes you have to be 18 but I wasn't talking about that. That one is a given.
Quote from: REDahms on December 16, 2010, 03:42:10 AM
How is it that we are on aircrew when I was responding to the question of flight line marshaller. To be a mission observer yes you have to be 18 but I wasn't talking about that. That one is a given.
Fair enough, but remember, on a forum, we only know what you
write, not what you
mean...
Quote from: airtrekker5 on December 15, 2010, 01:13:55 AM
What are the age requirements for being a flight line marshaller and mission observer?
Quote from: REDahms on December 16, 2010, 03:17:52 AM
Personally, there is no limit to age but maturity is what is needed to be looked at. There are some cadets who are 13-14 yrs. old and are pretty mature and then again, there are some 15-17 yrs. old who are very immature. So all in all it is the responsibility of the SM to determine whether or not its is safety enough to allow a cadet to be in that situation.
I'm sorry I forgot to write the FLM part before I started with the age and maturity
Quote from: REDahms on December 16, 2010, 03:17:52 AM
Personally, there is no limit to age but maturity is what is needed to be looked at. There are some cadets who are 13-14 yrs. old and are pretty mature and then again, there are some 15-17 yrs. old who are very immature. So all in all it is the responsibility of the SM to determine whether or not its is safety enough to allow a cadet to be in that situation.
You weren't clear as to what position you were responding to.
Quote from: davidsinn on December 15, 2010, 02:09:15 AM
Quote from: airtrekker5 on December 15, 2010, 02:06:37 AM
What exactly do you mean by that? I've taken a look at both worksheets.....before I know it, I'm saying, "Yes, that's an SQTR all right...."
I find no answers there.
The FLM does not list an age which means it does not have an age limit. The MO does list a min. age as a prereq.
So what is the verdict? There is an age requirement? or it is based on maturity and is the SET's decision? and what is your source for these age limits?
Quote from: airtrekker5 on December 17, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on December 15, 2010, 02:09:15 AM
Quote from: airtrekker5 on December 15, 2010, 02:06:37 AM
What exactly do you mean by that? I've taken a look at both worksheets.....before I know it, I'm saying, "Yes, that's an SQTR all right...."
I find no answers there.
The FLM does not list an age which means it does not have an age limit. The MO does list a min. age as a prereq.
So what is the verdict? There is an age requirement? or it is based on maturity and is the SET's decision? and what is your source for these age limits?
As I stated: FLM does not have an age limit. As someone else corrected me: MS has an age limit and it is a prereq for MO. Look at the MS SQTR for the age limit.
Okay, I've found where it says on the SQTR the age eligibility check, but nothing tells me whether I'm eligible or not. What I'm looking for is the AGE REQUIREMENT for the qualification. I'm seeking to know if I am ELIGIBLE or not.
^ For what qualification?
Try checking the Aircrew task guides. You'll find both FLM and MO in there.
Quote from: airtrekker5 on December 18, 2010, 03:19:49 PM
Okay, I've found where it says on the SQTR the age eligibility check, but nothing tells me whether I'm eligible or not. What I'm looking for is the AGE REQUIREMENT for the qualification. I'm seeking to know if I am ELIGIBLE or not.
It used to state the age required right on the SQTR. The age limit is 18 for all aircrew positions.
You MUST be 18 to be a Mission Scanner, therefore you MUST be 18 to be on a Mission Aircrew.
There is NO age limitation for a FL MARSHALLER. I've had cadets as young as 12 marshalling aircraft, under supervision of course, as is anyone who is not a FL Supervisor required to be under supervision.
You MUST be 18 in order to be a FL SUPERVISOR.
I had a blast as a young cadet marshaling CAP planes at search bases. Good stuff. Once I had a crusty LTC actually shut his plane down mid taxi. Im thinking...Hey...I didnt tell you to stop? He stepped out of his plane, walked over to me grabbed me by the shoulders and physically moved me about 5 paces to the right and then said "There! I cant see you when you are standing right off the front of my prop. Stand over here so I see what you want me to do." He then got back in, fired up his plane and I marshaled him about 50 more feet to his parking spot. ;D
See, even as a Mission Pilot you ARE part of the cadet program!
That crusty ofe LTC actually did you a favor and taught you a lesson that you haven't forgotten.
Some of us ole crusty clowns actually do know something!!!!!
Quote from: Flying Pig on December 18, 2010, 05:35:47 PM
I had a blast as a young cadet marshaling CAP planes at search bases. Good stuff. Once I had a crusty LTC actually shut his plane down mid taxi. Im thinking...Hey...I didnt tell you to stop? He stepped out of his plane, walked over to me grabbed me by the shoulders and physically moved me about 5 paces to the right and then said "There! I cant see you when you are standing right off the front of my prop. Stand over here so I see what you want me to do." He then got back in, fired up his plane and I marshaled him about 50 more feet to his parking spot. ;D
See, even as a Mission Pilot you ARE part of the cadet program!
Now THAT is funny. How long ago was this?
I joined as a cadet in 1986, so probably about 88ish.