My understanding is that new members in my squadron have been told that the finger print check (after successful input into the system by National Hq) are now going to take up to 90 days before completion.
Anyone else being told the same thing?
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That has always been the timeline they sell, but they usually deliver in advance of that mark.
We are at the mercy of the FBI and our volunteer needs fall well behind the needs of the DOD and Gov't. With the pending elections I'm sure there are more than a few politicians being scanned, which probably contributes to the extended delivery date.
When CAP first implemented the Fingerprint program we were told that the longer it takes the better. Felons and people who have records pop up very quickly once submitted.
I've heard that 90 days before - but it's been more like 3-4 weeks. I can't say I've ever seen one bounce, either.
Quote from: a2capt on October 13, 2010, 09:28:53 AM
I've heard that 90 days before - but it's been more like 3-4 weeks. I can't say I've ever seen one bounce, either.
Yeah...lots of people report "service levels" then exceed them when they can...if they promise 90 days and deliver in 30 everyone's happy....If they report 30 days and get backlogged to 40, then people will be calling for some poor idiot to get fired!
In terms of bouncing, if it's gonna bounce, I would presume someone would just not join the organization requiring them!
Quote from: JeffDG on October 13, 2010, 11:04:18 AM
In terms of bouncing, if it's gonna bounce, I would presume someone would just not join the organization requiring them!
You would be surprised. Ive never seen it in CAP, but I have seen it working for Security and Law Enforcement agencies. Have had people apply with stuff like Domestic Violence, felonies, etc... and even heard of people applying to law enforcement with active warrants for their arrest.
Quote from: Lawson on October 13, 2010, 01:11:19 PM
Quote from: JeffDG on October 13, 2010, 11:04:18 AM
In terms of bouncing, if it's gonna bounce, I would presume someone would just not join the organization requiring them!
You would be surprised. Ive never seen it in CAP, but I have seen it working for Security and Law Enforcement agencies. Have had people apply with stuff like Domestic Violence, felonies, etc... and even heard of people applying to law enforcement with active warrants for their arrest.
"You can't fix stupid."
The last background we had took three weeks for the fingerprints to come back.
To echo other comments - I've seen LEO applicants led way in cuffs due to outstanding warrants, and their cars towed from the PD parking lot for being unregistered or under suspension.
Quote from: JeffDG on October 13, 2010, 11:04:18 AMIn terms of bouncing, if it's gonna bounce, I would presume someone would just not join the organization requiring them!
That presumption basically misses the point of the check to start with. People roll the dice on the "system" all the time.
Quote from: Eclipse on October 13, 2010, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: JeffDG on October 13, 2010, 11:04:18 AMIn terms of bouncing, if it's gonna bounce, I would presume someone would just not join the organization requiring them!
That presumption basically misses the point of the check to start with. People roll the dice on the "system" all the time.
Not necessarily. If you presume people have some basic level of intelligence (I know...it's a stretch), then having a background check will prevent those who know they will fail from applying in the first place. The lack of negative background checks does not necessarily mean the checks are ineffective.
Then there's the case of the pedofile who hasn't been arrested yet and has no criminal record.
And when the occasional pedophile (spelling emphasis mine) gets through, we have CPPT to help us.
I think the pedofile is where they keep the information.
We've had a few people complain they've had to resubmit fingerprints several times due to smudging or other issues. After two tries without success, I begin to wonder if they aren't good copies for a reason. Has anyone else had this problem?
Quote from: Eclipse on October 13, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
I think the pedofile is where they keep the information.
Yee gad, 50/50 chance and I
STILL get it wrong.
Quote from: peter rabbit on October 13, 2010, 08:00:28 PM
We've had a few people complain they've had to resubmit fingerprints several times due to smudging or other issues. After two tries without success, I begin to wonder if they aren't good copies for a reason. Has anyone else had this problem?
I had two new members whose jobs/hobbies have an effect on their fingertips.
One was a woodworker, and the continual contact with sandpaper made his fingertips almost totally smooth. Getting good prints was a challenge. The other was a nurse, and the alcohol exposure had a similar effect.
Quote from: SarDragon on October 13, 2010, 09:46:50 PM
Quote from: peter rabbit on October 13, 2010, 08:00:28 PM
We've had a few people complain they've had to resubmit fingerprints several times due to smudging or other issues. After two tries without success, I begin to wonder if they aren't good copies for a reason. Has anyone else had this problem?
I had two new members whose jobs/hobbies have an effect on their fingertips.
One was a woodworker, and the continual contact with sandpaper made his fingertips almost totally smooth. Getting good prints was a challenge. The other was a nurse, and the alcohol exposure had a similar effect.
Aren't nurses required to wear gloves when working with patients and chemicals including alcohol. That policy has been in effect for at least 25 years
Quote from: Grumpy on October 13, 2010, 08:57:43 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on October 13, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
I think the pedofile is where they keep the information.
Yee gad, 50/50 chance and I STILL get it wrong.
Yeah... Not exactly something you want to Google to check on spelling... One of those more forgivable spelling errors, I'd say ;)
Quote from: MSG Mac on October 13, 2010, 10:00:29 PMAren't nurses required to wear gloves when working with patients and chemicals including alcohol. That policy has been in effect for at least 25 years
Actually, the use of gloves (to the extent that they're worn today) is a relatively new practice. It's more likely constant hand washing, and sanitizing with alcohol-based products, that causes skin damage.
funny this should come up, in 2005 my squadron had a single male come to our meetings and want to join. When told he would have to put in fingerprints he told our squadron commander "i cant give fingerprints anymore, the CIA removed them years ago". He didn't show back up anymore after that >:D
Quote from: NCRblues on October 14, 2010, 03:19:28 AM
funny this should come up, in 2005 my squadron had a single male come to our meetings and want to join. When told he would have to put in fingerprints he told our squadron commander "i cant give fingerprints anymore, the CIA removed them years ago". He didn't show back up anymore after that >:D
It's those mind-control waves man, i'm telling you... Surprised he wasn't wearing a tin foil hat. ::)
Surprised he didn't cite MK-Ultra ... ;-)
Back when I joined, shortly after Sept. 11th, it came back in 2.5 weeks, I got the temporary card and the actual one 2 days later.
Yea well my cadet to senior package was sent to National on Oct 2nd and I got a call from a nice Alabama lady on the 11th/12th saying I needed to pay the renewal dues before they could finish processing. I just paid today so I'll post once everything goes through (Which hopefully would go soon).
Off topic but....
She said that I had to pay $63 dollars to renew as a senior... isn't it supposed to be $53?
Nope. You are a new senior, and therefore get the new senior materials, most of which you probably already have, and know. The portfolio is nice, though, and sell for more than $10 at Vanguard, so you're getting a deal.
Fastest turnaround on a membership application (including background check) was 10 days from application to member card.
Probably had something to do with the applicant being LEO ;)
^ Probably not. He'd get the same review as anyone else.
My members are averaging about 2 weeks. As far as being an LEO, believe it or not.....we dont all know each other. ;)
Two new recent members joined, from the time the package was sent to National to the time they appeared on the squadron roster was about 2.5 weeks. 2~3 weeks seems to be the average for our squadron. But as mentioned there are times the FBI could be backlogged etc.
My friend is an LEO, he submitted around Sept 22nd, and still no word from NHQ........
Well as of this weekend I was switched over from Patron status to SM status... which means I guess the fingerprints went through okay.
Now to wait for the 1LT promotion... :-\
I figured this is a bit off-topic, but still relevant; I just called NHQ and found that my membership has been approved, so I got my CAPID and whatnot (now waiting the 24 hours before tinkering in eServices). In terms of professional development and "getting started", does a pending fingerprint card restrict you in any way? The only thing I've found on this topic was a squadron website which said that "until your fingerprint card is processed, your interaction with cadets will be limited". Does this mean you can't do CPPT without a cleared fingerprint card? Is it just a separate policy, or maybe just one of that particular squadron? I can't quite find where the card fits into the membership equation.
Quote from: Lawson on October 17, 2010, 03:42:09 AM
My friend is an LEO, he submitted around Sept 22nd, and still no word from NHQ........
He must not be on the approved "list" >:D
Quote from: RLM10_2_06 on October 20, 2010, 07:43:04 PM
I figured this is a bit off-topic, but still relevant; I just called NHQ and found that my membership has been approved, so I got my CAPID and whatnot (now waiting the 24 hours before tinkering in eServices). In terms of professional development and "getting started", does a pending fingerprint card restrict you in any way? The only thing I've found on this topic was a squadron website which said that "until your fingerprint card is processed, your interaction with cadets will be limited". Does this mean you can't do CPPT without a cleared fingerprint card? Is it just a separate policy, or maybe just one of that particular squadron? I can't quite find where the card fits into the membership equation.
It doesn't.
Now that you have your CAPID, log in and establish your eServices account. Complete your on-line stuff (OPSEC, EO, Safety) and ask the squadron about Foundations and CPPT. Heck, you could even download the material if you wanted.
There's no reason to wait, not even the 24 hours.
Actually, I have quite a good reason to wait the 24 hours; eServices says so heheh when I login to eServices, it redirects me to do OPSEC training, but it won't let me start it. When I try to log in, it says that "the information provided is not valid in the National database", and has a note below it about how new members and renewals maye have to wait as long as 24 hours to get it done. That said, I'm trying it periodically to make sure I can get started. I've arranged to have my Level I training finished at my next meeting (friday), so I simply want to get my ducks in a row before then as best I can.
Quote from: EMT-83 on October 16, 2010, 11:28:16 AM
^ Probably not. He'd get the same review as anyone else.
All I know is they usually take 3-4 weeks turnaround for anyone else around here. His was the fastest I'd seen FWIW.
A good Commander orPersonnel Officer would be checking the MML on a daily basis for new members to show up on their roster. When I find a membership that has been approved. I send an e-mail to that member with his CAPID#, and instructions on how to enter E-services to begin Level I, order a uniform, or whatever else he needs to do. If you wait until he received his ID card, you'll have wasted at least a week of his life.
QuoteA good Commander orPersonnel Officer would be checking the MML on a daily basis for new members to show up on their roster. When I find a membership that has been approved. I send an e-mail to that member with his CAPID#, and instructions on how to enter E-services to begin Level I, order a uniform, or whatever else he needs to do. If you wait until he received his ID card, you'll have wasted at least a week of his life.
I agree. Now if we can just find a way to get more people through Level 2.
To provide some feedback to this thread; I just received notification of my clearance and my packet was shipped out yesterday, 8 Nov., and my packet was received on 20 October. Not too bad, I suppose, considering how long others have had to wait.
As for Level II...well, OBC is out, and it's flowing quite well (I'm on the online cohort right now; time-consuming, but the courses are quite easy and engaging). Tack on a tech rating, which should be mostly waiting out time for the service requirements (unless you have a ridiculously hard track), and a visit to an SLS and you have yourself a Level II completion.